NWA pilots: a step in the right direction

[YourPilotFriend]

NWA pilots seek to end outsourcing, and are not budging on the scope argreement. Proposing a new deal that takes mainline pilots, and transfers them to a regional division under the NWA ALPA contract. Joining together the mainline and regional pilots on one list. Under this unity, I believe we can take a step in the right direction to save this profession. Although, this will place many hardships on the current regional pilots, as over 1000 are expected to be furloughed as a result. I think it is important to realize that we have to, as pilots, take the necessary steps to discourge the onslaught on labor. Allowing regionals to lower the bids on flying done outside of mainline must be destroyed at all costs.

 

[PCL_128]

Although, this will place many hardships on the current regional pilots, as over 1000 are expected to be furloughed as a result.

Keep dreaming, buddy. We won't be agreeing to any single-list proposal that doesn't protect our pilots from furloughs with some sort of fences. A staple-job to the bottom of the NWA list sounds like a great idea, but only with a fence that protects our pilots until all of the NWA guys are called back.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Keep dreaming, buddy. We won't be agreeing to any single-list proposal that doesn't protect our pilots from furloughs with some sort of fences. A staple-job to the bottom of the NWA list sounds like a great idea, but only with a fence that protects our pilots until all of the NWA guys are called back.

You are not legal to fly an airplane with 76 seats, your company is biddign on that contract. We will extend the invitation to you to join our list. You either do, or leave. We will shut the airline down, before we allow you guys to operate anything more than a 55 seat jet. Also you already agreed to it, the scope clause is reflected in your ASA.

 

[Workin'Stiff]

Don't know where you've seen this, but Mclean (SP) sent out an email kind of overviewing the ALPA proposal sent to management. It hit the highlights of the proposal and it mentioned nothing of a unified seniority list. This would be a d@mn big issue in most people's eyes... Once again, you're smokin' something fierce in front of your computer. Either substantiate it, or don't type it.

 

[PCL_128]

We will shut the airline down, before we allow you guys to operate anything more than a 55 seat jet.

As I've said before, wanna bet on that? I've got $500 that says you guys never fly an airplane again with less than 77 seats. I ain't happy about it, as I would prefer you guys keep the flying, but that's just the reality. Feel free to keep dreaming though.

 

[FN FAL]

NWA pilots seek to end outsourcing, and are not budging on the scope argreement. Proposing a new deal that takes mainline pilots, and transfers them to a regional division under the NWA ALPA contract. Joining together the mainline and regional pilots on one list. Under this unity, I believe we can take a step in the right direction to save this profession. Although, this will place many hardships on the current regional pilots, as over 1000 are expected to be furloughed as a result. I think it is important to realize that we have to, as pilots, take the necessary steps to discourge the onslaught on labor. Allowing regionals to lower the bids on flying done outside of mainline must be destroyed at all costs.

this fits in with that industry analyst article that was floating around here today.

 

[flap operator]

"Friend" -

Interesting how you didn't copy this thread in the "regionals" forum. Were you afraid of the backlash?

You guys are smoking crack if you think the Airlinkers want any part of your seniority list if it means sacrificing our own for the good of your pilot group. And I don't want to hear the "it will benefit you in the long run blah blah blah..." The long run isn't going to pay my bills. I'd rather quit at my own accord instead of accepting your bullying at mainline and what XJ mgmt is proposing.


FO

 

[IamGumbyDammit]

NWA pilots seek to end outsourcing, and are not budging on the scope argreement. Proposing a new deal that takes mainline pilots, and transfers them to a regional division under the NWA ALPA contract. Joining together the mainline and regional pilots on one list. Under this unity, I believe we can take a step in the right direction to save this profession. Although, this will place many hardships on the current regional pilots, as over 1000 are expected to be furloughed as a result. I think it is important to realize that we have to, as pilots, take the necessary steps to discourge the onslaught on labor. Allowing regionals to lower the bids on flying done outside of mainline must be destroyed at all costs.

Good luck with that! And have some fun for me on your 18 hour DVL overnight when you take over all the Red Tail flying!

 

[YourPilotFriend]

"Friend" -

Interesting how you didn't copy this thread in the "regionals" forum. Were you afraid of the backlash?

You guys are smoking crack if you think the Airlinkers want any part of your seniority list if it means sacrificing our own for the good of your pilot group. And I don't want to hear the "it will benefit you in the long run blah blah blah..." The long run isn't going to pay my bills. I'd rather quit at my own accord instead of accepting your bullying at mainline and what XJ mgmt is proposing.


FO

There is no way to stop the slide without hurting somebody in the process. If XJ/9E wants to stay the way they are and not fly anything inside of the NWA scope contract, then fine. The problem is, the industry is cutting back on 50 seat flying. If XJ/9E, whomever accepts 55+ seat a/c without the use of nwa pilots, we strike. This is the reality of red tail flying. We have the scope clause, and we are not giving in.

 

[DTW320]

I've got $500 that says you guys never fly an airplane again with less than 77 seats

When in modern history have we ever flown an airplane with less than 77 seats at mainline?

 

[CFIT]

You are not legal to fly an airplane with 76 seats, your company is biddign on that contract. We will extend the invitation to you to join our list. You either do, or leave. We will shut the airline down, before we allow you guys to operate anything more than a 55 seat jet. Also you already agreed to it, the scope clause is reflected in your ASA.

Listen "piloto friend"[brain donor] when are you and the dorks in your little club going to realize that management makes the rules, not you?

You have zero, really zero, control of happens. Quite fooling yourself.

 

[miles otoole]

There is no way to stop the slide without hurting somebody in the process. If XJ/9E wants to stay the way they are and not fly anything inside of the NWA scope contract, then fine. The problem is, the industry is cutting back on 50 seat flying. If XJ/9E, whomever accepts 55+ seat a/c without the use of nwa pilots, we strike. This is the reality of red tail flying. We have the scope clause, and we are not giving in.

Yawn. I am sure many XJ guys will volunteer to take care of your old lady when you lose your job.

 

[TinGoose1]

NWA mainline guys will role over like they always have to save their pensions. The simple fact is that they are going to lose both in the end. No judge is going to allow you to limit 70 seat flying when most regionals are already flying them. You may be in the minority at the red tail when you say that your drawing the line with scope. I would guess that the majority of the pilots at NWA have more to lose by giving in than you do. I'll bet that your MEC will talk tough until they have to lay their heads on the block, that's when the rationalization of reality will begin. Your MEC will say something on the lines of "we think this will have a minimal impact on our pilot group" or something like "this new flying will open up new markets that would otherwise not be available". Either way, NWA mainline is going to give up this portion of their scope agreement. If you don't believe me, just ask a 25 yr cpt how he feels about giving up his pension to save the job of some joe that has flown for NWA for 3-4yrs. Reality is a biatch.

 

[DTW320]

Listen "piloto friend"[brain donor] when are you and the dorks in your little club going to realize that management makes the rules, not you?

You have zero, really zero, control of happens. Quite fooling yourself.

Actually, you SanAntonio Sewer Pipe DORK, the BK judge and the creditors comittee make the rules, but you knew that right??? THEY realize that NW is worth more to them as a going concern cash flow vehicle. THEY realize that NW management is overreaching and that ALPA has stepped up to the plate 2 times already and given. THEY realize that NWA ALPA has the ability and the resolve to strike and shut down their little cash flow generator. THEY realize that NW cannot replace the pilots like they did the AMT's before the place would liquidate.

You have zero, really zero, control of that Metroliner and Caravan. Quit (not quite) fooling yourself.....

 

[YourPilotFriend]

The other airlines, did not have the scope clauses. However, we do and are not going to give it up. We have told the company we will work for regional rates on the NewCo aircraft. The NWA proposal is not to relax scope to 76 seats or 100seats, it's to wipe it out altogether. We are drawing the line to save our jobs, not our pensions, those are already gone.

 

[DTW320]

If you don't believe me, just ask a 25 yr cpt how he feels about giving up his pension to save the job of some joe that has flown for NWA for 3-4yrs.

I've asked many of them, have you? To a tee they tell me that they realize that if we allow NEWCO for the 70-100 seat flying that they will be back soon for PACIFICO and CARGOCO and GROUNDCO until it is a virtual airline that is simply a ticket seller. The average 25year NW cpt knows he/she is just as vulnerable as the 3yr FO. Pension is about to be frozen, like Continental. Terminated in the future? Very possible....hoping that pending legislation will help there.

 

[WhiteCloud]

NWA pilots seek to end outsourcing, and are not budging on the scope argreement. Proposing a new deal that takes mainline pilots, and transfers them to a regional division under the NWA ALPA contract. Joining together the mainline and regional pilots on one list. Under this unity, I believe we can take a step in the right direction to save this profession. Although, this will place many hardships on the current regional pilots, as over 1000 are expected to be furloughed as a result. I think it is important to realize that we have to, as pilots, take the necessary steps to discourge the onslaught on labor. Allowing regionals to lower the bids on flying done outside of mainline must be destroyed at all costs.

This is really just a pathetic job grab scenario. Good thing that training costs will be prohibitive.

 

[CFIT]

Come on DTW, take it on the chin, or wipe off your chin. Your CBA is fallin like a house of cards. hawk.

 

[CFIT]

I've asked many of them, have you? To a tee they tell me that they realize that if we allow NEWCO for the 70-100 seat flying that they will be back soon for PACIFICO and CARGOCO and GROUNDCO until it is a virtual airline that is simply a ticket seller. The average 25year NW cpt knows he/she is just as vulnerable as the 3yr FO. Pension is about to be frozen, like Continental. Terminated in the future? Very possible....hoping that pending legislation will help there.

Ya right. DTW will be the CP for BLOforDoughco.

 

[DTW320]

Oh....OK, I see I'm dealing with a real intellectual with substantive rebuttals....nevermind.

Once upon a time I flew the Metro for about 6 months. I understand what the heat and noise has obviously done to your mental condition.....