NWA looking at E-jets

[lowecur]

It looks like the MEC at NWA is seriously talking about mainline flying the 70-110 seat a/c. An article in something called the AW&ST(7/12), has confirmed the discussions. I guess they have also agreed to profit sharing with the company.

Well, it looks like this could be another big order for Embraer with the gradual retirement of the 9's. Add to that the possible DL & AMR orders, and it could be a 3 bagger in the next 3 yrs.

 

[NuGuy]

Lowecur,

Old news...If all you're using for your prognostications is Aviation Leak and Spy Technology, then you are WAY behind the times...real people subscribe to Aviation Daily.

Nu

 

[FlyChicaga]

Yes, lowecur, they are LOOKING at them... I'm sure you're creaming your pants at just the thought.

Who ISN'T looking at 100-seat jets?

 

[canyonblue]

Thats just the little game they all play, then suckers buy loads of Airline and Embraer stock.

 

[lowecur]

Yes, lowecur, they are LOOKING at them... I'm sure you're creaming your pants at just the thought. Yes, in fact I've had to change my thongs twice this morning. I would imagine all those junior 9 guys are going to luv flying 190's for $80. per hr as a captain. 3 yr FO's are making $107. per hr now, and were hoping to make at least $150. per hr, even with a rate reduction. They will probably faze the 190 in over 5 to 8 years, so as not to upset the senior guys on the 9's. Another case of male tigers eating their young.
Who ISN'T looking at 100-seat jets? It's great isn't it? I can just see everyone rushing around now to get their scopes changed so they can put their order in first. Production slots are going to be in short supply.

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[lowecur]

Lowecur,

Old news...If all you're using for your prognostications is Aviation Leak and Spy Technology, then you are WAY behind the times...real people subscribe to Aviation Daily. Way over-priced

Nu

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[Saabslime]

Lowecur......your'e so full of $hit it's almost funny. NWA has NO plans for a reduction in their 9 fleet for a very very long time. Just look at any press release talking about that fleet and you'll see what I'm talking about. If they start operating 70 seat planes, which is what they want, it will be the CRJ. Sorry to burst your bubble there...........

 

[jdru25]

When NWA retires its last A320 in the desert the pilots will probably be picked up in a NWA DC-9

 

[lowecur]

Lowecur......your'e so full of $hit it's almost funny. Would you care to squeeze my cheeks? NWA has NO plans for a reduction in their 9 fleet for a very very long time. I'm glad I know someone on the inside, like you. Just look at any press release talking about that fleet and you'll see what I'm talking about. If they start operating 70 seat planes, which is what they want, it will be the CRJ. So in other words, they are going to order the CRJ700. Pinnacle must luv that. I guess they will just be able to flow through right up to mainline for another $10. per hour. Just think, all that extra capacity with no attrition to the 9's. Sorry to burst your bubble there....You haven't, you just reinforced my opinion.

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[Clyde]

Eastern, Pan Am, and Braniff are looking at 100 seaters too.

 

[furloughed dude]

lowecur,


I sure hope your mom takes away your computer privileges. It is obvious that you know nothing of the industry.

As far as NWA goes, they are indeed trying to work out a deal for mainline to fly 70 seaters. NWALPA owns all flying over 50 seats (except for the 36 grandfathered AVROs) and I don't think they will sell out their scope. NWA wants 70 seaters, but doesn't want to pay a decent rate. Therefore, it seems to be a stalemate. While it would get furloughed guys back, it would be better to wait until they could get paid a fair wage.

I don't think Pinnacle has a chance to fly anything but 50 seat CRJS or less. But, then again, I don't make the rules....

 

[lowecur]

lowecur,


I sure hope your mom takes me home. She's looking, and she likes fly guys. It is obvious that you know lots of the industry. I agree.

As far as NWA goes, they are indeed trying to work out a deal for mainline to fly 70 seaters. NWALPA owns all flying over 50 seats (except for the 36 grandfathered AVROs) and I don't think they will sell out their scope. NWA wants 70 seaters, but doesn't want to pay a decent rate. Therefore, it seems to be a stalemate. While it would get furloughed guys back, it would be better to wait until they could get paid a fair wage. Well all that wouldn't surprise me. I did forget that NWA labor has a history of not cooperating. Oh well, it looks like I'll have to wait till B6 goes into DTW.

I don't think Pinnacle has a chance to fly anything but 50 seat CRJS or less. But, then again, I don't make the rules...It'll probably go to Mesaba.

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[balls deep340]

Yes NWA MEC made such a proposal to fly 70 seaters at mainline but, most feel it isn't going to come to fruition. The pilots may agree to a low pay wage to fly said aircraft however, all the other employees make way too much to support a 70 seater. So many are guessing they will try and craft some J4J deal. In other words sure 9E or XJ can fly those planes but only with NWA pilots.

Hopefully 9E and XJ stand up to NWA pilots and won't let them usurp their seniority at their own company. I'm sure ALPA will spin this that it is in their best interests to allow a J4J deal. 9E and XJ pilot have worked hard to make their companies adaptable in a tight market and now the NWA pilots want to jump on for the ride because they own the scope. Well as far as I'm concerened they can go somewhere else.

As far as the DC9s they are dying fast and in a recent Q&A session with Stock analysts and NWA MGMT they did mentioned looking at E jets. They of course said the DC9 was here to stay but I think they do that so as not to scare the NWA pilots. The DC-9 will be leaving sooner than most think.

 

[lowecur]

As far as the DC9s they are dying fast and in a recent Q&A session with Stock analysts and NWA MGMT they did mentioned looking at E jets. They of course said the DC9 was here to stay but I think they do that so as not to scare the NWA pilots. The DC-9 will be leaving sooner than most think.

I think I read somewhere that Richard Anderson said the 9's will be gone by 2008. I think that is probably wishful thinking on his part, as labor at NWA will take the airline to the brink of 11 before giving back any meaningful dollars. Which means that the company will not order the Ejets until they can compete with the rest of the majors. Hopefully, B6 will jump into DTW with their 190's and pillage the NW passage, and expedite the situation.

 

[AAflyer]

Lowecur,

As for what you read, I was in line at the store today and read that aliens just took over a small farming town in Montana. It must be true, it was in print.

The problem with analysts and bean counters is they can only see in one direction. If they could actually go into the field they would realize what really goes on.

Example, you signature;

The human eye cannot see the direction of the wind, but when the branches are bending and the leaves are whistling...........the wind is passing by.
Actually we can, and as a pilot I do all the time, it is called looking at the wind-sock!

And you thought pilots just didn't get it..

AA

 

[lowecur]

Lowecur,

As for what you read, I was in line at the store today and read that aliens just took over a small farming town in Montana. In fact you probably won't believe this but I was abducted while flying Air Force 1. I believe you. The president doesn't know it, but the clone pilot is actually an alien. Is he a member of ALPA? I was returned to earth a few days later where I took up repairing lawn mowers with Billy Bob Thornton. MMMMmmump.

The problem with analysts and bean counters is they can only see in one direction. If they could actually go into the shop they would realize what really goes on, and that is I'm really the former pilot of Air Force 1, and not a lawn mower repair man. OK, I'll send Ray Neidel over tomorrow.

Example, you signature;

The human eye cannot see the direction of the wind, but when the branches are bending and the leaves are whistling...........the wind is passing by.
Actually we can, and as a pilot I do all the time, it is called looking at the wind-sock! So it's kind of like everywhere you go, there you are.

And you thought pilots just didn't get it.. Not anymore.

AA

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[AAflyer]

Wow Lowecur,

You quote my post and then add lib to suit your needs, just like your numbers I guess! Mighty impressive, but expected .

Thanks for the upgrade to Air Force pilot flying Air Force one!!! I am only cilivian pilot.

AA

Keep posting, you are like the class clown, it keeps everyone entertained.

 

[General Lee]

Lowecur for class president!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[NuGuy]

Lowecur,

The DC-9s are in the fleet plan at NWA for well into the 2010s. I wouldn't expect to see them leaving anytime soon...after all, they are paid for.

Any speculation that they will be gone by 2008 is pure non-sense, and Richard Anderson has NEVER said anything of the like.


Nu

 

[lowecur]

Lowecur,

The DC-9s are in the fleet plan at NWA for well into the 2010s. Would that be July or August? I wouldn't expect to see them leaving anytime soon...after all, they are paid for. Do you fly the DC 9 for NWA?

Any speculation that they will be gone by 2008 is pure non-sense, and Richard Anderson has NEVER said anything of the like. OK, I will leave it alone.


Nu

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