NWA giving back to its employees

[MALSR]

Finally, NWA is giving something back to its employees in order to try and smooth out relations with its workers. In a gratuitous gesture, NWA management- the same management that steered the company into bankruptcy- is granting each employee "...a trip on the airline with family members or a companion." Wow, thanks uncle Doug, we'll take it! And to show our support, go ahead and give yourself a $20 million bonus.

http://www.startribune.com/535/story/1216240.html

 

[XJTAv8r]

Finally, NWA is giving something back to its employees in order to try and smooth out relations with its workers. In a gratuitous gesture, NWA management- the same management that steered the company into bankruptcy- is granting each employee "...a trip on the airline with family members or a companion." Wow, thanks uncle Doug, we'll take it! And to show our support, go ahead and give yourself a $20 million bonus.

http://www.startribune.com/535/story/1216240.html

Check out this photo in today's USA today:
http://i.usatoday.net/money/_photos/2007/05/31/northwestx-large.jpg

 

[AMRCostUnit]

Check out this photo in today's USA today:
http://i.usatoday.net/money/_photos/2007/05/31/northwestx-large.jpg

Management doesn't give a rats a$$ about any demonstrations. They still got the money...your money!

A picture of pilots-less/flight attendent-less jets all lined up at gates and lounges filled with pax going no where fast WILL get managements attention!

And yes, it will take some civil disobedience such as defying some court order or such. In 1886, 90,000 workers went on strike just for an 8 hour workday. Just think what we could do with that kind of unity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_Riot

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[Rez O. Lewshun]

Management doesn't give a rats a$$ about any demonstrations. They still got the money...your money!

A picture of pilots-less/flight attendent-less jets all lined up at gates and lounges filled with pax going no where fast WILL get managements attention!

And yes, it will take some civil disobedience such as defying some court order or such. In 1886, 90,000 workers went on strike just for an 8 hour workday. Just think what we could do with that kind of unity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_Riot

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from the wikipedia link above:

Chicago police intervened and attacked the strikers, killing four, wounding several others and sparking outrage in the city's working community.

Let me guess.. a few dead Air Line pilots is a fair price...

Local anarchists distributed fliers calling for a rally at Haymarket Square, then a bustling commercial center (also called the Haymarket) near the corner of Randolph Street and Des Plaines Street in what was later called Chicago's west Loop. These fliers alleged police had murdered the strikers on behalf of business interests and urged workers to seek justice.

Anarchy? I like democracy! Who is for Anarchy!

A bomb was thrown at the police line and exploded, killing policeman Mathias J. Degan.[7] The police immediately opened fire. While several of their number besides Degan appear to have been injured by the bomb; most of the casualties seem to have been caused by bullets. About sixty officers were wounded in the riot, as well as an unknown number of civilians. In all, seven policemen and at least four workers were killed in the riot. There is no accurate count of the latter, as those injured were afraid to seek medical attention for injuries, fearing punishment for their part in the riot.

Yeah! Air Line Pilots killing the police! Heck yeah! Sign me up!! Let's be gangsta pilots... let's get some StreetCred! I need some biotches and hoes...

Eight people connected directly or indirectly with the rally and its anarchist organisers were charged with Degan's murder: The jury returned guilty verdicts for all eight defendants, with death sentences for seven

I love it! Air Line Pilots sentenced to death!!

Journalist George Frederic Parsons, for example, wrote a piece for the Atlantic Monthly articulating the fears of middle-class Americans concerning labor radicalism, asserting that workers had only themselves to blame for their troubles

There it is in bold... if ALPA pilots did a SOS there would be no public support.... an SOS would be political suicide....

 

[AC560]

Would just like to add that the world famous May Day holiday was inaugurated in memory of the Haymaker riots. So all those communists out there in Russia, Cuba, China, etc. are really practicing a US holiday which I always thought was rather ironic.

 

[another cfii]

Is the free ticket positive space or just plain old Standby? Guess who's gonna get bumped first?

If they want to show us they care, show us the $$$$$!

 

[xjhawk]

here is a thought, is the trip a one way positive space? What are the limitations on this travel? I bet it wil be very hard to make a nice trip work under its restrictions. Oh, and in that same article, was the 32 Airbus 330's a new order, not previously disclosed? Whats the delivery time?

 

[Diesel-9]

The last few A-330's arrive this summer and the fleet will be at 32. The tickets are positive space to Conus and Mexico. Have had 3 other sets of these over the last few years. Come in handy. Gets us to Cancun every year free and positive space.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Will the company give the time off to go? IOW NWA has all red tails work thier tails off.. no one has time to travel.... and who'd want to go back to "work". Show me the $$$$$

 

[Freight Dog]

Rez... you're killing me!!!

No, in the event of an SOS, I don't think you'd see Air Line pilots dukin' it out with the police; I don't think you'd see Air Line pilots getting sentenced to death.

Just think of it this way... Air Line pilots show up at work, at every airport in the nation, and instead of going through security to their gates, they stand in front of the terminal saying NO MORE MANAGEMENT ABUSE!

Political support? I don't care if some Walmart-shoppin', NASCAR-watching, non-showering redneck is supporting me. I care about my fellow pilots who keep getting the short end of the stick by being nice guys and playing fair against an ugly adversary who does not play fair.

Make sense?

 

[AA717driver]

Freight Dog--Rez is just scared that the 'Cocktail Weenies' at Herndon might actually have to grow some balls and act like a union instead of hopping from party to party hob-nobbing with the politicians (on your ALPA-PAC dime...).

Now, FD, get back to work. ALPA needs the dues. TC

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Rez... you're killing me!!!

No, in the event of an SOS, I don't think you'd see Air Line pilots dukin' it out with the police; I don't think you'd see Air Line pilots getting sentenced to death.

Opps sorry, I was responding to the 100+ year old example given.

Just think of it this way... Air Line pilots show up at work, at every airport in the nation, and instead of going through security to their gates, they stand in front of the terminal saying NO MORE MANAGEMENT ABUSE!

Keep dreaming.... During the BK era, which we are coming out of, pilots voted for deep cut concessionary TA's, not an SOS. You may be a vocal minority and even get some tough guy agreement, but an SOS is not going to happen....

Political support? I don't care if some Walmart-shoppin', NASCAR-watching, non-showering redneck is supporting me. I care about my fellow pilots who keep getting the short end of the stick by being nice guys and playing fair against an ugly adversary who does not play fair.

We agree! That is why we have to support each other. We need to understand how the system works and fuction within it (meaning legally. Illegal job actions, like PATCO and the APA sickout, will further our struggle)

Make sense?

What makes sense is working the sysyem. Developing our alliances on CapHill and now, internationally. Our goals in the next 5-10 years will be to show the world players that US and EU Air Line Pilots are the ones to fly jets in the world. Not unknown elements of the third world.

The power players want third world workers to fly jets. The foundation is being laid. If we don't get involved we will be flying to our vacation listening to thick accent pilots [non-resident workers flown in for 5 days to work then sent back to thier home countries] flying domestic US routes....

If ALPA is FUBAR then we've got to get involved and make it right. Regardless, we've got to get involved...

 

[Jonny Sacko]

Opps sorry, I was responding to the 100+ year old example given.




Keep dreaming.... During the BK era, which we are coming out of, pilots voted for deep cut concessionary TA's, not an SOS. You may be a vocal minority and even get some tough guy agreement, but an SOS is not going to happen....



We agree! That is why we have to support each other. We need to understand how the system works and fuction within it (meaning legally. Illegal job actions, like PATCO and the APA sickout, will further our struggle)



What makes sense is working the sysyem. Developing our alliances on CapHill and now, internationally. Our goals in the next 5-10 years will be to show the world players that US and EU Air Line Pilots are the ones to fly jets in the world. Not unknown elements of the third world.

The power players want third world workers to fly jets. The foundation is being laid. If we don't get involved we will be flying to our vacation listening to thick accent pilots [non-resident workers flown in for 5 days to work then sent back to thier home countries] flying domestic US routes....

If ALPA is FUBAR then we've got to get involved and make it right. Regardless, we've got to get involved...

Rez man,
I normally enjoy your pattern with the true unionist mentality, but when do we say F*CK OFF, stop trying to kill us for your greedy benifit? We need to show stregnth. As a true unionist, wouldn't there be a time to do just that? Really, when do you say "alright fellas, screw these bastards, (not fist fighting), but honestly making a sign. If you want unity, a message a day before to all, ANONOMOUSLY would show great unity and stregnth. I believe this "silent minority" is complete crap. The CASTERATED MAJORITY would jump for joy. Not pickin, just another unionists' perspective. But one thing I am sure about, we are NOT a silent minority.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Rez man,
I normally enjoy your pattern with the true unionist mentality, but when do we say F*CK OFF, stop trying to kill us for your greedy benifit?

I agree..but going radical isn't the answer. I hasn't worked for Al Qeda and I don't think it will work for us.

When MLK did his "I have a dream" speech in DC, how many people were there to support him? 100?

When Ghandi made the Salt March how many went with him? 100?

Yet on March 17 when we had a WashDC rally only 100 pilots showed up. And most were ALPA volunteers. Very few avg. members showed up.

You want to say F*CK OFF but we can't even 101 pilots to show up to a Wash DC rally. Thousands follwed Ghandi on Salt March, and 250,000 people showed up for MLK's I have a dream speech.

Question: when is the membership going to get off the union welfare tit and start taking responsibility for thier own CAREER?

We need to show stregnth. As a true unionist, wouldn't there be a time to do just that? Really, when do you say "alright fellas, screw these bastards, (not fist fighting), but honestly making a sign. If you want unity, a message a day before to all, ANONOMOUSLY would show great unity and stregnth. I believe this "silent minority" is complete crap. The CASTERATED MAJORITY would jump for joy. Not pickin, just another unionists' perspective. But one thing I am sure about, we are NOT a silent minority

As airline pilots I'd like to think that we are self starters and problem solvers but when it comes to our careers we gladly turn apathetic and hand over control to others who we disdain and despise. Is that logical?

Responsibility for YOUR OWN CAREER.... the membership has not taken...

 

[TinGoose1]

I think it speaks volumes that last week the NWA flight attendants ratified their pay cuts. They were so torn up about the executive bonuses that they thought they would help out by giving back more of their wages. Pictures of giant rats won't change anything. Until airline workers actually perform some sort of concrete civil disobediance, they will continue to be raped by their managments.

-TG

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Tin,

That is the problem. We(NWA) wanted UAL and AAA to stand and they did not, then AA went down without a fight, CAL has been on their knees for years(look at some of our wonderful work rules, they look awfully close to CAL and AAA/AW) and don't even get me started on the Lccs and that includes SW. There has been a leadership void in Herndon since deregulation.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

There has been a leadership void in Herndon since deregulation.

Maybe you didn't read my post....

100 pilots showed up. The leadership was there... but where was the membership?

Until airline workers actually perform some sort of concrete civil disobediance

maybe you didn't read my posts either...

1. With airline labor groups on thier knees why would anyone conduct civil disobedience. No one is interested... Except the radical monikers on FI...and who are they?

2. You can't even get pilots to show up to a obedient civil demonstration...

but you might say.. Labor doesn't want peaceful deomonstrations..they want civil disobedience... see number #1 above and read post #4 above.