NWA Early Retirements with Permanent Part-time Flying.

[Superpilot92]

.........If yall decide to end up at Pat O's in New Orleans, I might be forced to join ya. Mmmmm, Huricanes...liquid candy.

Now your Talking!! The Hurricanes are awesome there!! :beer:


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It's not just CASM, but RASM. What's the margin on a fully paid for less efficient DC9, over a more efficient one with a lease payment?

I don't believe your numbers factor in ownership vs. lease.

RASM, according to NWA went up with the RJ. You leave leisure fares and take more business passengers. Remember RASM is Revenue per Average Seat Mile. It will go up when capacity declines.

In addition, the 76-seat regional jets low operating costs, and extended range provide additional profitable growth opportunities.
Just one example is the Minneapolis to Vancouver service that we started on October 15th. Northwest typically would not operate this route during the winter, as there is inefficient demand to fill a 125- or 150-seat A-319, A-320; and our 100-seat DC-9 does not have the range to make the mission. As a result of this new large regional aircraft, we will now have Vancouver on our network year-round.

Believe whatever you want. It's in there. Would the line item entries convince you?
Capital Costs
DC9-50: $138 per hour
A319: $481 per hour
Fuel (appears to have been back when gas was $1.97 a gallon)
DC9-50l: $1710
A319: $1381
Fuel savings pretty much cover the cap. cost last year. This year the numbers are more in favor of replacement. The RJ is a better case.
DC9-30: $257 v/s CRJ9 at SkyWest $462
Fuel: $1487 v/s $1048
Savings, including cap. cost, of $234 on just that line item. Total savings including maintenance and crews are around $1,000. Not only can NWA fund the DC9 replacement and still save money, they can effectively create $3,500,000 for every nine that is replaced.

The DC9 is a great airplane. But the day has come that it will be replaced as quickly as possible.

 

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Fins, why on earth are you listening to what the sack of sh-- Steal-land is saying? He's never said an honest word in his life.

Are we calling the truth a lie just because it is not what we wnat to hear?

Let's see, an Officer of the Company, making legal representations to the equity owners of the Company who can sue him if he lies, or an anonymous source on a web board....

Hmmmm, tough call there.

Doug Steenland seems to be a very good source because he is not afraid to make statements that are unpopular.

Management has not seen scope as a restriction. ALPA has not stuck by any of their arbitrary lines in the sand. My friends on this board are more interested in getting equity, getting parity on day one and pay restoration. Lets be realistic. IF ALPA had won a single scope battle, I'd be more confident.

A DC9 is worth about $50,000 to Delta Air Lines at $1.05 a pound. You need to make sure it's replacement is on your list.

 

[PCL_128]

Are we calling the truth a lie just because it is not what we wnat to hear?

No, it's the other way around. Steal-land wants to pretend that the scope isn't really there, even though the language is quite clear on fleet limits. He may not like it, but them's the facts.

Doug Steenland seems to be a very good source because he is not afraid to make statements that are unpopular.

You've become incredibly naive since going to Delta, it seems. What the hell kind of kool aid do they put in the water over there on Virginia Ave? Steenland is a lying sack of s--- that couldn't tell the truth if he tried. If the shareholders complain that it doesn't turn out like he's promised, he'll just claim that his legal team was confident in getting around the language. He's not concerned of liability.

IF ALPA had won a single scope battle, I'd be more confident.

ALPA has won multiple scope battles. You won't find info about it on your favorite website, rjdefense.com, but the info is out there.

 

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ALPA has won multiple scope battles. You won't find info about it on your favorite website, rjdefense.com, but the info is out there.

Examples? The scope grievances filed on our property were lost. (Comair flying Shuttle) Management relented just to keep the peace.

Seriously, should I have more confidence that pilots focused primarily on pay restoration, equity and parity on day one will take a stand (with me) on scope?

 

[PCL_128]

Examples?

The MAG single-carrier filing was an ALPA victory. The PCL/CJC scope grievance just this year was another.

Seriously, should I have more confidence that pilots focused primarily on pay restoration, equity and parity on day one will take a stand (with me) on scope?

I think you need to acknowledge what the damned scope language already says. If you want to claim that they're going to give it up, then say so, but don't try to claim that the language isn't already there.

 

[Superpilot92]

Management has not seen scope as a restriction. ALPA has not stuck by any of their arbitrary lines in the sand. My friends on this board are more interested in getting equity, getting parity on day one and pay restoration. Lets be realistic. IF ALPA had won a single scope battle, I'd be more confident. If mgmt wasnt playing by the scope rules then why did they only order 72 "large RJ's"? They claimed the maximum number they could via the scope language. Mgmt does know about the scope regardless of what Dougie said in your quote.

A DC9 is worth about $50,000 to Delta Air Lines at $1.05 a pound. You need to make sure it's replacement is on our list fixed .

I agree but Its about to be "ours" not "yours" and the sooner we figure that out the better off we will be.

 

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PCL and Super, I know you don't see it this way, but I sure hope you are right. PCL's examples are good. I forgot, thanks for reminding me.

Sincerely,
Eeyore

 

[JoeMerchant]

RASM, according to NWA went up with the RJ. You leave leisure fares and take more business passengers. Remember RASM is Revenue per Average Seat Mile. It will go up when capacity declines.Believe whatever you want. It's in there. Would the line item entries convince you?

....and are any of the RJ pilots being represented at the table? Your absolutely correct about RASM with the RJs...but everyone wants to focus on CASM....

ALPA isn't representing the little guy....AGAIN....