NWA DC-9s

[M-crit]

Whats the latest with the DC-9s, more importantly, whats the NWA fleet going to look like in 5-10 years? Any help is appreciated as I'm about send in my app.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

154 DC-9's replaced by 154 EMB-170/190's!

Can you say Compass Rose?

 

[propdog]

154 DC-9's replaced by 154 EMB-170/190's!

Can you say Compass Rose?

Not gonna happen with the current scope clauses. Two levels of protection for the mainline pilots here:

1. Regionals cannot fly anything with more than 76 seats

2. Even if they manage replace some DC-9 flights with 76 seater airplanes, there is a maximum limit to the number of aircrafts which can be farmed out to regionals---currently they are close to being maxed out. As of today, only a maximum of 20 more aircrafts can be flown by regionals.

So, unless the pilots cave in on scope (which is very unlikely), DC-9 flying ain't going anywhere else. NWA is looking at a replacement from Bombardier currently---which will be flown by mainline pilots.

 

[Hulk Hogan]

Isn't it a 1 for 1 trade once they reach approx 96 total 76 seaters?

 

[Lucky Strike]

Say again?...again...again

 

[airplane wizard]

I wonder how many pax realize they are flying on a 35-40 yr old plane.

 

[Max Powers]

Well the next round of negotiations you will give away more mainline flying........Just like you did to keep your pensions and the younger generation will be working harder and longer to keep you in your current standard of living while ours keeps going down and down.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

The DC-9s are scheduled to be replaced by the Bombardier "C" aircraft, a 100-150-seat class airplane in about 2012 or 2013.

http://www.bombardier.com/index.jsp?id=3_0&lang=en&file=/en/3_0/3_8/3_8.jsp

Here's the engine, a Geared Turbofan:
http://www.flug-revue.rotor.com/FRHeft/FRHeft07/FRH0702/FR0702c.htm

Boeing is trying to get NWA to delay it a couple of years so they can buy Boeings new 100+ seat-class airplane to be built using 787 technology.

cliff
YIP
PS-The 787 looks like it will now be delayed by about a year.

 

[123]

Hi!

The DC-9s are scheduled to be replaced by the Bombardier "C" aircraft, a 100-150-seat class airplane in about 2012 or 2013.

Not quite. There hasn't been a decision made yet and the DC9 replacement is still being "studied". The C series is just one of the airplanes that NWA is looking at.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Whatever they pick, I hope they get the pay changed before it shows up on property!!!

cliff
YIP

 

[NuGuy]

I wonder how many pax realize they are flying on a 35-40 yr old plane.

I wonder how many people care. It's a cheap ticket.

Besides, the interiors still look new, and that's all people see.

How many people have you seen lately look at the outside of an airplane, or even raised their head for more than 10 seconds from their laptop/cellphone/crackberry/whatever....

Nu

 

[lowtimedriver]

I wonder how many pax realize they are flying on a 35-40 yr old plane.

None, except GA pilots who are on board. Most pax's got their heads so far up their asses, they will never see the light of day.

 

[n6604f]

None, except GA pilots who are on board. Most pax's got their heads so far up their asses, they will never see the light of day.

Well Said!!!! You got that right.

 

[climbhappy]

the only visual cue for the pax would be the dirty, dandruff filled, soiled, greasy, lice laden, upholstery on the head rest area. other than that, does the $hidder work?

 

[lowtimedriver]

Well Said!!!! You got that right.

Yeah, and you got the right ballclub. Screw the Yankee's.
http://www.whiterose.org/pete/blog/fisk01.jpg

 

[Max Powers]

Hi!

The DC-9s are scheduled to be replaced by the Bombardier "C" aircraft, a 100-150-seat class airplane in about 2012 or 2013.

http://www.bombardier.com/index.jsp?id=3_0&lang=en&file=/en/3_0/3_8/3_8.jsp

Here's the engine, a Geared Turbofan:
http://www.flug-revue.rotor.com/FRHeft/FRHeft07/FRH0702/FR0702c.htm

Boeing is trying to get NWA to delay it a couple of years so they can buy Boeings new 100+ seat-class airplane to be built using 787 technology.

cliff
YIP
PS-The 787 looks like it will now be delayed by about a year.

Good luck getting financing with massive debts and the credit market Leary of airlines especially shady fly by night NWA.

 

[Superpilot92]

Good luck getting financing with massive debts and the credit market Leary of airlines especially shady fly by night NWA.

 

[123]

Good luck getting financing with massive debts and the credit market Leary of airlines especially shady fly by night NWA.

This coming from someone who thinks FedEx is stealing from the government :laugh:

Maybe you should stick to a topic you might understand (not sure what it is though).

I will guarantee you that financing is available, it is just a matter of what the price of that financing is....then again, you probably knew that.

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

I don't think the issue here is about how the 9 looks or feels from a customer's standpoint. The issue here is the 9 is a gas hog!!!

 

[Superpilot92]

I don't think the issue here is about how the 9 looks or feels from a customer's standpoint. The issue here is the 9 is a gas hog!!!

Arent the planes all paid for?

 

[Schwanker]

Isn't it a 1 for 1 trade once they reach approx 96 total 76 seaters?

I'm not sure which one I should answer!
They are capped at 72 76-seaters and they are all on order. 36 CRJ-900's at Mesaba and 36 E-175's at Compass. After these deliveries, aircraft need to be added to mainline before more are added at the regionals.

Schwanker

 

[n6604f]

Yeah, and you got the right ballclub. Screw the Yankee's.
http://www.whiterose.org/pete/blog/fisk01.jpg

Very Nice! I like that...hopefully it was Steinbrenner or Cashman taking the photo!

 

[koepp]

I'm not sure which one I should answer!
They are capped at 72 76-seaters and they are all on order. 36 CRJ-900's at Mesaba and 36 E-175's at Compass. After these deliveries, aircraft need to be added to mainline before more are added at the regionals.

Schwanker

Unfortunately the "upper cap" is 90 51 to 76 seat airplanes. There are 18 more 51 to 76 seaters up for grabs.

In a few years when NWA has added at least 10 77 to 110 seat airplanes at mainline (DC9 replacement), they can increase the "upper cap" at the regionals as allowed by section 1 B.7.c.(7)(c)1. The 77 to 110 seat airplanes can't be anything currently on the property or a derivative/different series (e.g., 717, 318) of anything in the property.

 

[Schwanker]

Unfortunately the "upper cap" is 90 51 to 76 seat airplanes. There are 18 more 51 to 76 seaters up for grabs.

In a few years when NWA has added at least 10 77 to 110 seat airplanes at mainline (DC9 replacement), they can increase the "upper cap" at the regionals as allowed by section 1 B.7.c.(7)(c)1. The 77 to 110 seat airplanes can't be anything currently on the property or a derivative/different series (e.g., 717, 318) of anything in the property.

OOPS!....I shot from the hip. I just looked at the contract and it is 90. For some reason, I thought it was 72. Thanks for the correction.
Schwanker

 

[IXLR8]

Yawn

Good luck getting financing with massive debts and the credit market Leary of airlines especially shady fly by night NWA.

:erm: ..Shady fly by night?..what?

 

[Hulk Hogan]

Sorry for the multiple post. Darn phone. Anyway, thanks for the answer.

 

[cargoflyr69]

Arent the planes all paid for?

That's what I was told while in the school house. They have been paid for and its cheaper (as of today) to pump the extra gas than it is to service the debt from new(er) aircraft.

The average DC-9 at NWA has around 70,000 cycles and they are good for up to 107,000 cycles or something close to that. The 9's could theoretically be on property for a loooooooong time

 

[DrewBlows]

The DC-9 will be flying the 787 pilots back from the desert.:laugh:

 

[IronCityBlue]

Hi!

Whatever they pick, I hope they get the pay changed before it shows up on property!!!

cliff
YIP

Whatever they pick I hope it stays at "mainline". Time for scope to start going the other way. If anything's worth "shuttin 'er down" over its that, but its always oh so tempting to sell that to management for a cookie.

 

[jetflier]

I wonder how many pax realize they are flying on a 35-40 yr old plane.

OK,

Let me ask you this,...if your gonna be broadsided by an F150,...would you rather be in a Kia Rio or a 1973 Chevy Impala ? (nuf said) ?

The DC9's are quality built birds by Ol'man Douglass. Very thick aluminum, overdesigned by engineers with sliderules and pocket protectors. A very simple design, and built tough.

Some Pass do know that their on an older bird, some even stick their head in the cockpit to check the airworthiness certif displayed on the entry door wall.

The oldest '9's I see are about 1967 and the newest, are the -50 with a 1982 date of manuf.

We can still get them up to .82 cruise and fl350.:beer: