NWA/DAL JCBA Vote Ends 3pm Today MON 8/11: How Soon Do You All Get Results?

[Voice Of Reason]

NWA/DAL JCBA Vote Ends 3pm Today MON 8/11: How Soon Do You All Get Results?

Good luck to all of you...hope it goes well and sets a great base/example for everyone in the industry to build back up from. :beer:

 

[michael707767]

I would guess we have the results by 5pm.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

I would guess we have the results by 5pm.

Great! I don't even work there and I'm looking forward to it. It would be nice to see it pass so they can prosper and start hiring again...a rare thing these days, and something to look forward to amidst all the other doom & gloom.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I am sure that as soon as they are verified and the count is official, there will be a burst e-mail sent out to all members in good standing.

 

[Superpilot92]

http://money.cnn.com/2008/08/11/news/companies/bc.delta.northwest.pilots.ap/?postversion=2008081108

Voting deadline looms for Delta, NWA pilot pact

Airlines need their 12,000 pilots to approve collective bargaining agreement in order for carriers to integrate.

August 11, 2008: 8:05 AM EDT

ATLANTA (AP) -- Pilots at Delta Air Lines Inc. and Northwest Airlines Corp. were being encouraged by their union leaders to approve a joint collective bargaining agreement as Monday's deadline to vote on the pact loomed.
Ratification of the agreement is a key element of Atlanta-based Delta (DAL, Fortune 500)'s efforts to achieve a smooth integration of the two companies when it acquires Eagan, Minn.-based Northwest Airlines Corp (NWA, Fortune 500). later this year.
The agreement covers roughly 12,000 pilots of the two airlines. The pilots still don't have a deal to integrate their seniority lists, but have agreed to submit to binding arbitration if they can't come to terms on their own within a certain timeframe. A three-member panel has already been chosen in case arbitration is needed.
Pilots value their seniority because it determines their schedule, the aircraft they fly and layoff protection.
Delta hopes to complete its stock-swap deal to acquire Northwest by the end of the year. The combination, announced April 14, is subject to shareholder and U.S. regulatory approval. European regulators cleared the deal last week.

World's largest carrier in traffic

The combination, being proposed at a time of persistently high fuel prices and airline industry financial woes, would create the world's largest carrier in terms of traffic.
The pilot agreement, together with a previous one reached between Delta pilots and management, calls for compounded raises for pilots over 18% over four years, a summary provided to Delta pilots says.
The joint contract agreement also calls for pre-merger Northwest pilots to receive a 2.38% equity stake in the new Delta. Current Delta pilots would receive a 3.5% equity stake. The summary sent by Delta union officials to Delta pilots says the two amounts are proportional given the size of the two pilot groups. There are about 5,000 Northwest pilots and about 7,000 Delta pilots.
Rank-and file Delta and Northwest pilots must approve the joint collective bargaining agreement for it to become final.

Delta pilot union urges approval

In a letter to fellow Delta pilots Friday, the head of Delta's pilots union, Lee Moak, said approving the joint contract "allows us the opportunity to secure our future in an increasingly difficult industrial and economic environment." Northwest pilot leaders also sent a message to fellow pilots Friday urging them to ratify the joint contract.
Moak said that while the price of crude oil has moderated from recent highs, it remains volatile and at historically high levels.
"There are those who would suggest that we would be better served by simply rejecting this agreement -- that all we have to do is simply 'go back and get more,"' Moak wrote. "Or they argue the agreement favors the Northwest pilots over the Delta pilots in one respect or another, but upon closer analysis, these views are many times based on a misunderstanding of the agreement, a misinterpretation of its terms, a failure to acknowledge today's economic realities or simply ... anger."
He added, "As I have written many times before, anger is not a strategy."

 

[Flyer1015]

He added, "As I have written many times before, anger is not a strategy."

Moak, neither was your backstabbing strategy of going behind the NWA guys and striking a deal with your own Delta management only. Some guys won't forget that.

 

[propdog]

Moak, neither was your backstabbing strategy of going behind the NWA guys and striking a deal with your own Delta management only. Some guys won't forget that.

Dude, past is past. They made up for it by agreeing to bring all of us (NW and DL pilots) under one contract and pay from day one of DCC. This is our best chance to create a strong unified pilot group. Why ruin it by harping about the past? And this comes from a NW pilot...

 

[Flyer1015]

Dude, past is past. They made up for it by agreeing to bring all of us (NW and DL pilots) under one contract and pay from day one of DCC. This is our best chance to create a strong unified pilot group. Why ruin it by harping about the past? And this comes from a NW pilot...

Past is past? Just because it's in the past does NOT mean it is forgotten!

Glad to hear you're a NW pilot who is happy. But I can name you a couple of NWA pilots who see Moak as a back stabbing-good-for-nothing "person".

Note: "Person" was used as a substitute for a cuss word. But you get the idea.

 

[Superpilot92]

Moak, neither was your backstabbing strategy of going behind the NWA guys and striking a deal with your own Delta management only. Some guys won't forget that.

Guess its a slow day at Pinchanickle? Why the urge to spread your Flames on the NWA/DAL stuff when your not a part of it?

 

[Diesel-9]

Mr. Moak's days are numbered. Sure he will be a management pilot soon.

 

[Noserider76]

Mr. Moak's days are numbered. Sure he will be a management pilot soon.

And DL guys will get 5,6 or more years of a pathetic contract when we were set to open next year. I still can not figure out what the all out rush was in all this from the pilot perspective on either side.

 

[Sedona16]

And DL guys will get 5,6 or more years of a pathetic contract when we were set to open next year. I still can not figure out what the all out rush was in all this from the pilot perspective on either side.

If I was a Northwest guy I would want to keep Moak right where he is at. He obviously caved to what the Northwest leadership that has no ability to do anything but arbitrate wanted.

 

[nonstop]

And DL guys will get 5,6 or more years of a pathetic contract when we were set to open next year. I still can not figure out what the all out rush was in all this from the pilot perspective on either side.

Jesus, how can you be so uninformed? LOA19, which DAL pilots overwhelmingly passed "locked in" (as DAL guys liked to say) essentially the same contract as the JCBA until 2012 and gave up what scope leverage you had. You just got a few extra perks with this agreement above LOA 19 without any leverage. You should be happy, if this didn't pass you'd be sitting on LOA 19 until 2012. Fortunately your MEC and the majority of DAL pilots actually could comprehend this, which is why it passed. The battle for better rates died long ago with LOA 19.

 

[Superpilot92]

Jesus, how can you be so uninformed? LOA19, which DAL pilots overwhelmingly passed "locked in" (as DAL guys liked to say) essentially the same contract as the JCBA until 2012 and gave up what scope leverage you had. You just got a few extra perks with this agreement above LOA 19 without any leverage. You should be happy, if this didn't pass you'd be sitting on LOA 19 until 2012. Fortunately your MEC and the majority of DAL pilots actually could comprehend this, which is why it passed. The battle for better rates died long ago with LOA 19.

Hey you know better than to post logic in a FI thread!! Now you're really going to confuse things

 

[Flyer1015]

Guess its a slow day at Pinchanickle? Why the urge to spread your Flames on the NWA/DAL stuff when your not a part of it?

No flame, just fact. Moak stabbed the NWA group in the back by going ahead and proceeding with a plan for only Delta and their management. Essentially, NWA pilots thrown under the rug. And we all remember that memo that came out from the NWA MEC, the one that said they were going to use 'all means necessary' to oppose this proposal of a merger.

It may be in the past, but it still happened. No flame intended, I'm just calling shots like they happened.

 

[Noserider76]

Jesus, how can you be so uninformed? LOA19, which DAL pilots overwhelmingly passed "locked in" (as DAL guys liked to say) essentially the same contract as the JCBA until 2012 and gave up what scope leverage you had. You just got a few extra perks with this agreement above LOA 19 without any leverage. You should be happy, if this didn't pass you'd be sitting on LOA 19 until 2012. Fortunately your MEC and the majority of DAL pilots actually could comprehend this, which is why it passed. The battle for better rates died long ago with LOA 19.

How can you be so self-righteous? Your non-stop sell job here was very tiresome. There was plenty of leverage left on both sides and many other ways that this could have been done even with LOA 19. We got very little in addition to LOA 19 as it was. I could have as easily lived with LOA 19 as this JPWA knowing we at least tried to make a dent in what was lost. 39% plus of my coworkers agreed.

We'll never have the leverage we had and I don't believe an airline this big will have a credible strike threat in the future. I'm happy to have the NWA guys on board (even you), I just think a lot more could have and should have been accomplished.

 

[123]

Noserider,

What more do you honestly think we could have achieved? What would have had to be in the TA for you to have endorsed it?

Thansk,

 

[123]

double post....

 

[Noserider76]

Noserider,

What more do you honestly think we could have achieved? What would have had to be in the TA for you to have endorsed it?

Thansk,

Scope, reserve, 10% more compensation to name a few. I think the agenda (National?) turned after LOA 19 to one of avoiding US Air at all costs and at the expense of using our combined leverage to achieve some meaningful restoration. We allowed ourselves to be shoe-horned into artificial timelines. I realize we gave up a lot of leverage with 19 but I still thought we had a good chance to see the entire contract opened instead of a few tweeks to our BK contract and a 4 year extension. I think a rejection on our part would have yielded a LOA 19 equivalent for you and a hammer for the negotiators. We'll never know now, I guess. Time to move on.

 

[hockeypilot44]

Scope, reserve, 10% more compensation to name a few. I think the agenda (National?) turned after LOA 19 to one of avoiding US Air at all costs and at the expense of using our combined leverage to achieve some meaningful restoration. We allowed ourselves to be shoe-horned into artificial timelines. I realize we gave up a lot of leverage with 19 but I still thought we had a good chance to see the entire contract opened instead of a few tweeks to our BK contract and a 4 year extension. I think a rejection on our part would have yielded a LOA 19 equivalent for you and a hammer for the negotiators. We'll never know now, I guess. Time to move on.

We will never know. It also could have lead to a whipsaw. You make good points.