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AP
NWA CEO: $105 Oil Is a 'Budget-Breaker'
Monday March 10, 7:23 pm ET
By Joshua Freed, AP Business Writer Northwest CEO Calls $105 Oil a 'Serious Budget-Breaker'
MINNEAPOLIS (AP) -- Northwest Airlines CEO Doug Steenland called $105 oil a "serious budget-breaker" on Monday and warned that high fuel costs are a "difficult financial challenge" for the carrier that emerged from bankruptcy just nine months ago.

Oil jumped above $108 a barrel on Monday to an inflation-adjusted record. Fuel is now the biggest expense at Northwest Airlines Corp. and most other airlines.
Steenland said if oil remains above $100 a barrel, it will cost Northwest $1.7 billion more this year than it planned for.

"If fuel remains where it is today our increased fuel costs will again create a difficult financial challenge for the airline," he said on a hot line message for employees recorded on Monday. "This rapid increase in fuel costs is another reason why we continue to believe that consolidation in the industry is inevitable."

Steenland didn't mention Delta Air Lines Inc., but the two carriers have held detailed talks about joining their operations. Their pilots met last week in Washington, but there has been no word on their progress.
In a sign that some Northwest pilots may be frustrated by the lack of information about their union's talks, the union told them on Sunday that it is "ready to communicate any final details to you as soon as they are officially agreed upon."
"We are bound by SEC rules, NWA confidentiality, ALPA confidentiality, other unions and other air carriers," the message from the Northwest branch of the Air Line Pilots Association said.
Northwest shares fell 80 cents, or 6 percent, to $12.33 on Monday. Delta shares fell 91 cents, or 7 percent, to $11.98.

"We believe the window for these deals to be announced is closing and that, given the upward move in fuel prices, labor may want to view the current proposal in a more favorable light," UBS analyst Kevin Crissey wrote in a note to investors.

High fuel prices were a major factor in Northwest's and Delta's bankruptcy filings in September 2005.
Northwest made $244 million in the quarter that ended Sept. 30. But it lost $8 million in the next quarter. In January, Northwest said it hedged 15 percent of its first-quarter 2008 fuel, and 11 percent for the full year.



Will those fuel guzzling DC9s stay? What are the old geezers thinking at NWALPA? Are they prepared for ANYTHING? Are they still arguing about Greenbook/Redbook? Do they have enough Glycol to last the Winter? Are they all ice fishing? "Ah heck, let's just throw it to arbitration because we can't negotiate, we aren't ready anyway....."


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Watch what happens when oil hits $115. Steeland is gonna start sweatin' and the Diesel 9s will be cost cutting target #1...
 
Watch what happens when oil hits $115. Steeland is gonna start sweatin' and the Diesel 9s will be cost cutting target #1...

RJ's will be cost cutting prioity #1, and the ability to park them may be the best synergy that results from a merger.

More bigger airplanes are better, and a DC9-40/50 doesn't burn much more than a DC9-80
 
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True, but the -88 carries more passengers. I agree that the RJs will be the first to go, though. Those 50-seaters are getting more and more obsolete with each dollar increase in the price of oil.
 
Its time to pass these fuel price increases onto the passengers and make them pay a fare that is not less than a bus ticket!
 
AP
NWA CEO: $105 Oil Is a 'Budget-Breaker'
Monday March 10, 7:23 pm ET
By Joshua Freed, AP Business Writer Northwest CEO Calls $105 Oil a 'Serious Budget-Breaker'
MINNEAPOLIS (AP) -- Northwest Airlines CEO Doug Steenland called $105 oil a "serious budget-breaker" on Monday and warned that high fuel costs are a "difficult financial challenge" for the carrier that emerged from bankruptcy just nine months ago.

Oil jumped above $108 a barrel on Monday to an inflation-adjusted record. Fuel is now the biggest expense at Northwest Airlines Corp. and most other airlines.
Steenland said if oil remains above $100 a barrel, it will cost Northwest $1.7 billion more this year than it planned for.

"If fuel remains where it is today our increased fuel costs will again create a difficult financial challenge for the airline," he said on a hot line message for employees recorded on Monday. "This rapid increase in fuel costs is another reason why we continue to believe that consolidation in the industry is inevitable."

Steenland didn't mention Delta Air Lines Inc., but the two carriers have held detailed talks about joining their operations. Their pilots met last week in Washington, but there has been no word on their progress.
In a sign that some Northwest pilots may be frustrated by the lack of information about their union's talks, the union told them on Sunday that it is "ready to communicate any final details to you as soon as they are officially agreed upon."
"We are bound by SEC rules, NWA confidentiality, ALPA confidentiality, other unions and other air carriers," the message from the Northwest branch of the Air Line Pilots Association said.
Northwest shares fell 80 cents, or 6 percent, to $12.33 on Monday. Delta shares fell 91 cents, or 7 percent, to $11.98.

"We believe the window for these deals to be announced is closing and that, given the upward move in fuel prices, labor may want to view the current proposal in a more favorable light," UBS analyst Kevin Crissey wrote in a note to investors.

High fuel prices were a major factor in Northwest's and Delta's bankruptcy filings in September 2005.
Northwest made $244 million in the quarter that ended Sept. 30. But it lost $8 million in the next quarter. In January, Northwest said it hedged 15 percent of its first-quarter 2008 fuel, and 11 percent for the full year.



Will those fuel guzzling DC9s stay? What are the old geezers thinking at NWALPA? Are they prepared for ANYTHING? Are they still arguing about Greenbook/Redbook? Do they have enough Glycol to last the Winter? Are they all ice fishing? "Ah heck, let's just throw it to arbitration because we can't negotiate, we aren't ready anyway....."


Bye Bye--General Lee

You don't listen too well do you General?

Welcome to the real world!!!

Wanna talk now?

I bet you do!!!
 
Analyst says at $105 bbl, NWA loses about 182 million, but DAL loses over 450 million. Why in the world would we want to merge with that POS airline with all those gas guzzling 767's, MD-88's and the highest cost RJ fleet in the world?

General, you're gonna love what comes out in a few days. Seems things are alot different at DAL and your merger committee than you spout off here on FI.
 
Analyst says at $105 bbl, NWA loses about 182 million, but DAL loses over 450 million. Why in the world would we want to merge with that POS airline with all those gas guzzling 767's, MD-88's and the highest cost RJ fleet in the world?

General, you're gonna love what comes out in a few days. Seems things are alot different at DAL and your merger committee than you spout off here on FI.


Hi Red,

Sounds like you got the "scoop"....can you spill it here ?

Who's buying who ?
 
RJ's will be cost cutting prioity #1, and the ability to park them may be the best synergy that results from a merger.

More bigger airplanes are better, and a DC9-40/50 doesn't burn much more than a DC9-80

I think the MD88s carry 146 pax. How many do the DC9-50s carry?

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
You don't listen too well do you General?

Welcome to the real world!!!

Wanna talk now?

I bet you do!!!

Wanna talk? Do you mean with all 15 of your merger committee members against our 3? No, do your guys really really wanna talk? Steenland is giving you a shot across your bow. You need to forget about your DOH nonsense and get to a more fair way of doing it. You are keeping your pension, and we don't have one. (even if yours is frozen) You guys get a higher intial pay raise, and come up to our better work rules. You would have a chance to fly closer to where you live if you commute, and a chance at flying a widebody sooner, which means more pay again. So, if you wanna talk, then talk to your reps and tell them to play fair. You can't have it all, even if your committee chairman has a agenda. Nope.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Analyst says at $105 bbl, NWA loses about 182 million, but DAL loses over 450 million. Why in the world would we want to merge with that POS airline with all those gas guzzling 767's, MD-88's and the highest cost RJ fleet in the world?

General, you're gonna love what comes out in a few days. Seems things are alot different at DAL and your merger committee than you spout off here on FI.

Can you show the quote from that analyst please. And, what has changed? I haven't seen anything you are talking about. Please post anything about our merger committee. I would like to know what you are talking about.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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Analyst says at $105 bbl, NWA loses about 182 million, but DAL loses over 450 million. Why in the world would we want to merge with that POS airline with all those gas guzzling 767's, MD-88's and the highest cost RJ fleet in the world?

General, you're gonna love what comes out in a few days. Seems things are alot different at DAL and your merger committee than you spout off here on FI.

I can't wait til you swing gear for me and I can put you in your proper place!
Know your role!
737
 
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It's the same of B.S. "gun to the head". Let oil his 300 a barrel. When a Airline CEO says, "take the deal now! We're in crisis!" Take a deep breath, and go slow. They've set a trap.
 
Weak....

I can't wait til you swing gear for me and I can put you in your proper place!
Know your role!
737

You are still just as weak in your second screen name as your first, General. You are a pathetic little man....

-You must have some serious shortcomings to overcompensate for-good luck little guy!
 
Can you show the quote from that analyst please. And, what has changed? I haven't seen anything you are talking about. Please post anything about our merger committee. I would like to know what you are talking about.

Bye Bye--General Lee
Heres an analyst report on projected airline P/L for 2008:

Oil Assumption/$BL $95 $105

AMR -538M -1,205M
DAL -100M -419M
CAL -12M -240M
UAL -112M -444M
AirTran -27M -71M
FRNT -48M -71M
JBLU -45M -86M
NWA +43M -180M
SWA +467M +452M

Wow, seems NWA is more profitable, once again, even with all those DC-9's. How can that be?
Secondly, we have 3 people on our merger committee and 2 alternates, who are rarely all together in the same room. Why are you lying about this?

We have NEVER asked for DOH, NEVER. Ask your reps about whats going on in Washington. I hope you would be surprised.
 
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We have NEVER asked for DOH, NEVER. Ask your reps about whats going on in Washington. I hope you would be surprised.

I HAVE talked to my rep. Perhaps you should talk to yours. Here is a synopsis.

Your merger committee chair is actually PROUD of the fact that he has been involved in TWENTY-SIX sets of negotiations since the original NWA/Republic merger, and NOT ONE (!) has ever been concluded with an agreement. That is a record to be proud of? I think nyet.

Arbitration is like an NFL tie--something that should exist on paper, but should only be used as an absolute last resort, and very rare. Your merger committee, on the other hand, was completely unprepared for negotiations, and approached with the attitude of "we don't have to work; we will just open with an outrageous opener, we assume the other side will as well, and we then throw it to an arbitrator who will enable us to continue to renege on our duties (as we have for the past 22 years) and make the hard call that we should have been willing to."

Your merger committee consists of three primary members, two alternates, and TEN (?!) observers who just...observe. What kind of neurotic model is that?
 
RJ's will be cost cutting prioity #1, and the ability to park them may be the best synergy that results from a merger.

More bigger airplanes are better, and a DC9-40/50 doesn't burn much more than a DC9-80

Steenland doesn't sweat anything. He gets rich regardless of what happens with oil or anything else. Remember the golden rule for CEOs . . . get all you can as fast as you can and everybody else be dam*ed.

The price of oil is not an employee problem. It's a passenger and management problem.
 
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Heres an analyst report on projected airline P/L for 2008:

Oil Assumption/$BL $95 $105

AMR -538M -1,205M
DAL -100M -419M
CAL -12M -240M
UAL -112M -444M
AirTran -27M -71M
FRNT -48M -71M
JBLU -45M -86M
NWA +43M -180M
SWA +467M +452M

Wow, seems NWA is more profitable, once again, even with all those DC-9's. How can that be?
Secondly, we have 3 people on our merger committee and 2 alternates, who are rarely all together in the same room. Why are you lying about this?

We have NEVER asked for DOH, NEVER. Ask your reps about whats going on in Washington. I hope you would be surprised.

Much bigger company flying many more airplanes loses more when fuel prices spike. Not so hard to understand. The merger isn't going to fix $105+ dollar oil. We'll just be a bigger unprofitable company (AMR++) with a new set of airplanes to ground in the crosshairs.
 
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Steenland doesn't sweat anything. He gets rich regardless of what happens with oil or anything else. Remember the golden rule for CEOs . . . get all you can as fast as you can and everybody else be dam*ed.

The price of oil is not an employee problem. It's a passenger and management problem.
He can only "get all he can" if they merge. If there is no merger NWA will be in seriously bad shape this year. Mainly because the execs will ignore the problems with the company in favor of blaming the pilots. It's a total set up and they are playing right into their hands.
 
Nothing New

Mainly because the execs will ignore the problems with the company in favor of blaming the pilots. It's a total set up and they are playing right into their hands.
It's always the pilots' fault...nothing new here....move along....nothing to see here.
 
You are still just as weak in your second screen name as your first, General. You are a pathetic little man....

-You must have some serious shortcomings to overcompensate for-good luck little guy!

Has anyone ever noticed that General Lee, 737 Pylt, Jmoney all post on exactly the same days?
It's because they are the same sick poster.

Speaking of sick, I still have yet to understand why the NWA guys think they can succeed without a merger, and why this deal is so bad. More money, better planes, better work rules.

The Delta guys seem to be giving them everything and taking nothing. I think they'll regret it in the future. But not as much as the NWA guys will if they pass this up.
 

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