NWA buys Independence Air Op Cert.

[SEVEN]

Yes, the paperwork is finalized to remove the ARJ's from service at NWAlk. It's possible Mesaba is being kept around right now to explore the depths of bankruptcy. If the judge does reject the contract, a work stoppage must come immediately even if an injuction from the court is granted. This will allow more leverage for pilots at other carriers looking to bankruptcy to fix the labor problems.

Well if that's the case and we are being used as guinney pigs for some test experiment it's time to say NO. We've got nothing too lose. They picked the wrong airline to experiment with the bankruptcy process. Hopefully I'm right.

 

[DoinTime]

The parent company of Northwest bought it. NWA is bankrupt not NWA holdings, it's all a big shell game. Holdings is a collection of commercial banks and high dollar investments, they basically have unlimited resources. Airlines aren't in the business of making money, they are in the business of making someone else a lot of money.

YPF, I would think you would know better considering you claim to have been employed by NW. The parent/holding company of Northwest Airlines is NWAC (Northwest Airlines Corporation). There is no such thing as NWA holdings. NWAC and all of its subsidiaries are currently under bankruptcy protection. The FLYi certificate is being purchased by bankrupt NWAC.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

I also heard from the Mesaba training department yesterday that the Avro sims in MSP are being removed . Looks like we will be a 49 saab fleet with 450 pilots for a while.

Any idea where the sim is being moved to?

Guess I'll always be stuck with that SIC only limitation on at least the
BAE-146, AVR-146.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

YPF, I would think you would know better considering you claim to have been employed by NW. The parent/holding company of Northwest Airlines is NWAC (Northwest Airlines Corporation). There is no such thing as NWA holdings. NWAC and all of its subsidiaries are currently under bankruptcy protection. The FLYi certificate is being purchased by bankrupt NWAC.

The structure of NWA:
Corporate Structure & Units

(A) NWA Corp., Holdings and NWA Inc.

Northwest Airlines Corporation is the parent corporation of
Northwest Airlines Holdings Corporation, which, in turn, is
the parent corporation of NWA, Inc. NWA Inc. is the parent
corporation of Northwest Airlines, Inc., and the indirect
parent corporation of the other Debtors as well as certain
non-Debtor entities.

(B) Northwest Airlines

Northwest Airlines, Inc., is the principal operating
subsidiary of NWA Corp. Together with the other Debtors,
Northwest Airlines operates and manages a consolidated global
business with employees, assets and creditors located all
over the world.

(C) NFS

NWA Fuel Services Corporation, a New York corporation with
offices located at 1270 Avenue of the Americas, 6th floor,
New York, New York, operates a jet fuel supply and trading
business. In the course of its business, NFS purchases jet
fuel directly from numerous fuel suppliers and supplies the
fuel to Northwest and to other airlines.

NFS supplies fuel directly to Northwest Airlines' operations
at airports by truck. In addition, NFS arranges for fuel to
be shipped through common carrier pipelines across the United
States to various third party storage facilities located in
proximity to Northwest Airlines' major terminal hubs. NFS
primarily relies upon revenues obtained from Northwest
Airlines to sustain its business operations.

(D) MLT

MLT Inc. is among the largest vacation wholesale companies in
the United States. MLT develops and markets Worry-Free
Vacations that include air transportation, hotel
accommodations, car rentals, ground transportation and
leisure activities. In addition to its Worry-Free Vacations
charter program, MLT develops, markets and supports
Northwest's WorldVacations travel packages to destinations
throughout the U.S., Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean, Europe
and Asia, with air transportation provided primarily on
Northwest or its codeshare partners. During the fiscal year
ended December 31, 2004, MLT had revenues of $469,000,000.

(E) NATCO

Northwest Aerospace Training Corp. provides training and
aircraft simulation services primarily to pilots for
Northwest. NATCO makes all unused time available for sale by
a third party to other airlines, governments and
corporations. The NATCO training facility includes 18 full-
flight simulators and four fixed-base training devices. In
2004, NATCO had approximately $3,565,000 in revenue from the
sale of idle time.

 

[DoinTime]

They are all still bankrupt.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

They are all still bankrupt.

Correct, my mistake, I was thinking of something else. After reading a company email, bankrupt NWA bought it. It will receive approval since newco is part of the restructing plan.

 

[Rossa]

Thanks NWA pilots - You guys are the BIGGEST dimwits out there if you approve this TA!!!!

Think about it: You not only screw the regional guys, but you screw your own pilot group in the short term aswell as the long term!

There is NOTHING beneficial in this TA for you guys OR the Airlinks.

It's unbelievable that you would throw your junior guys under the bus like this - just to benefit a few senior guys - A$$HOLE$!!!!!!!!!!!

If this is the best your negotiating commitee can do, you should kick them to the kerb!!

 

[blackbox]

Thanks NWA pilots - You guys are the BIGGEST dimwits out there if you approve this TA!!!!

Think about it: You not only screw the regional guys, but you screw your own pilot group in the short term aswell as the long term!

There is NOTHING beneficial in this TA for you guys OR the Airlinks.

It's unbelievable that you would throw your junior guys under the bus like this - just to benefit a few senior guys - A$$HOLE$!!!!!!!!!!!

If this is the best your negotiating commitee can do, you should kick them to the kerb!!

wow, those are some big words.....lets just wait and see what the outcome of the TA vote is before we go calling other pilot groups names.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Thanks NWA pilots - You guys are the BIGGEST dimwits out there if you approve this TA!!!!

Think about it: You not only screw the regional guys, but you screw your own pilot group in the short term aswell as the long term!

There is NOTHING beneficial in this TA for you guys OR the Airlinks.

It's unbelievable that you would throw your junior guys under the bus like this - just to benefit a few senior guys - A$$HOLE$!!!!!!!!!!!

If this is the best your negotiating commitee can do, you should kick them to the kerb!!

Mesaba would be in this position no matter what happens. Management threw you guys under the bus. As NWA pilots, we are just reacting to what management is throwing at us.

 

[XJohXJ]

Divide and Conquer always wins!

 

[xjhawk]

I agree that this is far from a good deal for everyone. What do we think will happen when that newco is all up and running. NWA will do a IPO and get rid of that entire group, PILots and flight attendants-everyone. It will have a contract to fly a few guranteed regional jets for a few years then it will start to whipsaw them against their mainline regionals and other regionals. Same old game, just now, instead of Mesaba and pinnacle pilots bithcing about who gets what planes, then bitches together that MEsa is undercutting everyone, it will be mainline who will be defending its airbus flying against........oh, NEwco and mesaba and pinnacle will be lucky to get any 50 seat jets since NEWCO will most likely get those eventually too......or will make the true regionals fly for so little, that there is no way this will even be an average career.

 

[XJohXJ]

If slimejet goes through, Mesaba is finished.

 

[i fly boxes]

If slimejet goes through, Mesaba is finished.

I agree, the only thing that would save you guys at that point would be taking airplanes from pinnacle, but what good would that do, at that point i believe that pinnacle and mesaba should just shut down together.

 

[Yudso]

Why can't xj and sjet coexist?

 

[Rossa]

Maybe I was a little harsh. The fact is: If NWA Pilots approve this, it'll only be the tip of the iceberg. NWA mngt will sell off routes, assets and eventually dump the pension anyway.
NWA Pilots would have to be crazy to buy into this, regardless of your seniority!
Today it's someone else, tomorrow it's you!
NWA mngt won't let you guys strike. They don't want to go in search of the next lucrative job opportunity with "I forced the last company which I worked for into liquidation" on their resume - it's worth more to them if they get concessions and keep the company alive. You know that they are carpet-baggers, so call their bluff and tell them it's not good enough after all it's only the first offer!

 

[XJohXJ]

And another note for the mid-senior folks: Today's B scale (or C D E or F scale) will become tomorrow's A scale. That's how this lowest-bidder economy works.

 

[redflyer65]

Detroit22, I didn't say anything about PCL staying at the same size. I don't see them shrinking below the number of jets listed in the IPO though. I believe there would be numerous stockholder lawsuits if that happened. Its just not worth it. The only way Pinnacle will grow is out of some other bid outside of the Northwest system. And I'm not even sure thats plausible.

Any Northwest pilot that votes for this has to be crazy. It was a complete cave in. Management will dump the pension immediately before the ink is dry, then sell off SJet within 3 years. Maybe even 2. There is no way they would continue to hold the ownership in that company.

 

[SEVEN]

Ditto

Detroit22, I didn't say anything about PCL staying at the same size. I don't see them shrinking below the number of jets listed in the IPO though. I believe there would be numerous stockholder lawsuits if that happened. Its just not worth it. The only way Pinnacle will grow is out of some other bid outside of the Northwest system. And I'm not even sure thats plausible.

Any Northwest pilot that votes for this has to be crazy. It was a complete cave in. Management will dump the pension immediately before the ink is dry, then sell off SJet within 3 years. Maybe even 2. There is no way they would continue to hold the ownership in that company.

Northwest pilots listen closely.....this is true. Don't let Doug fool you. Sjet is just temporary and WILL BE SOLD. Vote NO. The paycuts you've already taked are enough. Please call Doug's bluf. At the end of the day, he's just another scumbag attorney looking at the numbers.

 

[B-J-J Fighter]

What will the mins be for this newco?

 

[xjhawk]

yeah, and why else would they have newco when its cheaper to outsource, all for 30 more 76 seat planes? pay all that money for start up costs to operate 30 more AC than if NWA just outsourced to the lowest bidder (mesa) flys 50 some planes around and NWA makes cash......or this is the way.....they start newco, and in a couple years, wham, they do an IPO....and make a shitload of cash

 

[Mr Biggelsworth]

Auctioned off about a month ago. Options included with/without tails and a couple humping in the back .

Sweeeet......

 

[screwed_again]

Thanks NWA pilots - You guys are the BIGGEST dimwits out there if you approve this TA!!!!


If this is the best your negotiating commitee can do, you should kick them to the kerb!!

Kerb, who's the dimwit??????????

 

[wheelsup]

1. All pilots type rated during Initial Qualification (IQ). Requirement for pilots to [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]repay [/FONT]the training cost if they resign within the first 12 months.

I'm not familiar with the term (IQ). Is it a CA only thing or will they be typing FO's as well?

 

[Rossa]

Kerb, who's the dimwit??????????

Check your dictionary, maybe you'll get it then!

 

[NuGuy]

If I were an Indy Air pilot, I'd be pushing for integration rights.

Might not be worth anything, but the sudden "merger" hysteria among NWA guys alone would be worth watching.

Nu

 

[81Horse]

Kerb, who's the dimwit??????????

"Kerb" -- it's the UK spelling.

I believe the Brits spell "dimwit" the same way we do, though.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

If I were an Indy Air pilot, I'd be pushing for integration rights.

Might not be worth anything, but the sudden "merger" hysteria among NWA guys alone would be worth watching.

Nu

We bought the certificate, not the company.

 

[FN FAL]

What will the mins be for this newco?

1,500 135 SIC Single Engine Turbo-prop Night Cross Country IFR.

 

[flyn96]

Wonder if we are going to put these 150 hrs Riddle grads in these E Jets. Nobody at a regional would fly there as the pay rates are the same as most and no mainline guys are going to jump crap. Guess we're left with the ERAU Capt program kids and Juan, Mujabar, and Akmed to swing gear for the NWA furloughees.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Wonder if we are going to put these 150 hrs Riddle grads in these E Jets. Nobody at a regional would fly there as the pay rates are the same as most and no mainline guys are going to jump shoot. Guess we're left with the ERAU Capt program kids and Juan, Mujabar, and Akmed to swing gear for the NWA furloughees.

No, the requirements of the 76 seaters at Sjet will require at least 1500Hrs TT. Also I expect current XJ fuloughs will have preferential hiring at SJet. Sjet has a pilot base already, there is no need to look elsewhere.