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I wish you guys all the best and hope for all of us oil comes crashing down to a reasonable level. $106 a barrell this morning.

If folks were not so scared out of dollars and into commodities.... Obama's "hope" speech is a little thin on details, but he is right about something. The prescription for this crisis of confidence is hope. He is politically astute to bring "hope" to the table when the other candidates are not in a position to sell the same message.

If traders would return to their senses oil would be around $60 to $80, making NWA's and DAL's fleet of narrow body jets more viable.
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Define "hope".....He just voted to allow the Bush tax cuts to expire which raises taxes on most Americans....Raising taxes won't bring us out of our current problem....it will make it worse....

We need to define is version of "hope".....I "hope" it doesn't come from the pulpit of Rev. Wright......
 
JoeMerchant said:
Raising taxes won't bring us out of our current problem....it will make it worse....
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Yeah, you're right, deficit spending is the way to go. :rolleyes:
 
PCL_128 said:
Yeah, you're right, deficit spending is the way to go. :rolleyes:
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Where did I say "deficit spending is the way to go".....We need to slash domestic spending.....Including entitlement programs....We sure as heck don't need more entitlement programs...

The Republicans spend like drunken sailors and the Democrats spend like drunken sailors with stolen credit cards....Actually that isn't fair to drunken sailors......

We can't spend and tax our way to prosperity.....
 
You support McCain, and he's a deficit spender. The war in Iraq costs us $12 billion each month. I don't care how much you cut from "entitlement programs," it'll never hold a candle to the insane spending in Iraq. A vote for McCain and Republicans is a vote for a destroyed economy.
 
PCL_128 said:
You support McCain, and he's a deficit spender. The war in Iraq costs us $12 billion each month. I don't care how much you cut from "entitlement programs," it'll never hold a candle to the insane spending in Iraq. A vote for McCain and Republicans is a vote for a destroyed economy.
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Actually I supported Fred Thompson and then voted for Ron Paul in the primary.....I will vote for McCain as the best choice for Commander in Chief over Hillary or Obama....

The primary responsibility of the Federal Govt. is protect the Republic from external threats....Now one can argue whether or not the war in Iraq is doing any good....

I do think that Islamic facism is a threat.....I go back and forth on whether the war in Iraq is doing any good.....I trust McCain more with that 3AM call in the middle of the night....
 
The "3am call in the middle of the night" already came, and McCain failed the test by supporting this atrocious war that is costing us trillions of dollars and thousands of lives. The failed Bush war is going to bankrupt this country, and it's about time that somebody put a stop to it.
 
PCL_128 said:
The "3am call in the middle of the night" already came, and McCain failed the test by supporting this atrocious war that is costing us trillions of dollars and thousands of lives. The failed Bush war is going to bankrupt this country, and it's about time that somebody put a stop to it.
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Were there mistakes made? Sure....there always are.....Decisions were made after the attacks of 911 based on the intelligence that was available.....Hillary voted for authorization also....

We have to deal with the current situation....Al Queda and Iran are in Iraq.....and they are a threat to this country.....

I agree that the war in Iraq is costly....but if you pull out too fast....the cost could be even more...that is the concern at this point......
 
JoeMerchant said:
I trust McCain more with that 3AM call in the middle of the night....
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Is that because he will already be up going to the bathroom for the third time?


Just a thought here, maybe we should quit sticking our hand in the bee hive for honey....it is time we make our own honey aka bio fuels, ethanol, etc.
 
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clippyrip said:
Is that because he will already be up going to the bathroom for the third time?
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....Hillary will already be up too.....wondering if her husband is coming home tonight....:laugh:
 
JoeMerchant said:
Were there mistakes made? Sure....there always are.....Decisions were made after the attacks of 911 based on the intelligence that was available.....Hillary voted for authorization also....
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I don't support Hillary. She is just as responsible for this mess as McCain and his buddy Dubya. She will never get my vote.
We have to deal with the current situation....Al Queda and Iran are in Iraq.....and they are a threat to this country.....
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The fact that they are in Iraq is not a threat to this country, it's a threat to the people of Iraq. About time that they take care of their own country. We can't afford to do it anymore.
 
PCL_128 said:
I don't support Hillary. She is just as responsible for this mess as McCain and his buddy Dubya. She will never get my vote. The fact that they are in Iraq is not a threat to this country, it's a threat to the people of Iraq. About time that they take care of their own country. We can't afford to do it anymore.
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So Al Qaida, Iran, and radical Islam are not a threat to this country? Interesting......How quickly we forget.....

Of course you are supporting a candidate for President that has Muslim leanings and is at least sympathetic to their causes.....
 
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JoeMerchant said:
So Al Qaida, Iran, and radical Islam are not a threat to this country? Interesting......How quickly we forget.....
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Them being in Iraq is not a threat to this country, no. And as a reminder, none of them were in Iraq until we invaded!
 
PCL_128 said:
Them being in Iraq is not a threat to this country, no. And as a reminder, none of them were in Iraq until we invaded!
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Them existing anywhere in the world is a threat...Radical Islam is a threat....
 
Yes, but fighting them in the midst of an Iraqi civil war is not an effective way to eliminating radical Islam.
 
JoeMerchant said:
So Al Qaida, Iran, and radical Islam are not a threat to this country? Interesting......How quickly we forget.....

Of course you are supporting a candidate for President that has Muslim leanings and is at least sympathetic to their causes.....
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Sorry, JoeMerchant. Iran is a threat just like Iraq had WMDs. If we keep meddling in that country's business, we'll make them a threat. So far, all their president has proven to be is a comedian. But not stupid. Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11, and neither did Iran. The only group Iran is a threat to is homosexuals. They like hanging them there.

And to imply that Obama is sympathetic to terrorists is just ignorant. No offense. The guy gets criticized for being cultured. Muslim leanings? He's a Christian who understands Islam. I think that's a great combination, considering we're involved in conflicts with Muslim countries.

Or you can just vote McCain in, who hates pilots and hates labor unions. Or maybe he's just jealous of pilots who managed not to lose 5 U.S. Navy airplanes. And the last time I checked, our economy is fragile enough not to need another president who, by his own words, isn't very strong when it comes to understanding the economy.

Either way, he's no good for our profession, and staying in Iraq for "100 more years" sure as hell isn't good for America.

Abernathy
 
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Or maybe he's just jealous of pilots who managed not to lose 5 U.S. Navy airplanes.
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Your post is riddled with faulty logic and misrepresentation.

Please provide some facts regarding McCain "losing five Navy airplanes," for starters. If you do some research, you will find how silly that claim is.
 
Jimmy C. Corn said:
Your post is riddled with faulty logic and misrepresentation.

Please provide some facts regarding McCain "losing five Navy airplanes," for starters. If you do some research, you will find how silly that claim is.
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I was making a point. And me saying that was a low blow to McCain, but I take what he said about pilots as a personal low blow, so be it. He did in fact lose 5 airplanes. Not all five were his fault, however. Just bad luck? Not in any particular order:


1. Shot down and held as a POW
2. Lost one as he was practicing landings, went into Corpus Christi Bay.
3. Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula.
4. Had a reported flame out (possibly not his fault)
5. A missile was accidentally fired at his airplane on the carrier (not his fault).

So, yes he did lose five. Three of them were with him fully at the controls. One, a flameout, the last, not his fault.

If you have anything different on what I said above, I'll stand corrected. But that's what I've been able to find everywhere I look for his military record.

I respect McCain for what he did and as a POW. I have no respect for him as a politician. And we all know how helpful he's going to be when the airlines are in negotiations again for contracts.
 
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I was making a point. And me saying that was a low blow to McCain, but I take what he said about pilots as a personal low blow, so be it. He did in fact lose 5 airplanes. Not all five were his fault, however. Just bad luck? Not in any particular order:


1. Shot down and held as a POW
2. Lost one as he was practicing landings, went into Corpus Christi Bay.
3. Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula.
4. Had a reported flame out (possibly not his fault)
5. A missile was accidentally fired at his airplane on the carrier (not his fault).

So, yes he did lose five. Three of them were with him fully at the controls. One, a flameout, the last, not his fault.

If you have anything different on what I said above, I'll stand corrected. But that's what I've been able to find everywhere I look for his military record.

I respect McCain for what he did and as a POW. I have no respect for him as a politician. And we all know how helpful he's going to be when the airlines are in negotiations again for contracts.
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Why is an ATR pilot posting about politics on a thread about NWA class dates?

Now for some useful info...

Talked to a -9 instructor pilot, he said they are backed up on OE and some classes needed to be postponed. Also, more +60 guys are staying than originally thought, temporarily causing need for fewer classes.

The usual summer stoppage in running classes is also a factor. Fall classes should be needed. It sucks to have classes canceled, I wish everyone swimming good luck and hope you are on property soon!

Occam may have more info???
 
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I wonder if the over 60 guys are staying because they want to see what happens with the merger and if they will get the equity or be bought out?
 

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