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avrodriver

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This goes directly against the NWA's LOA which states only XJ & 9E can operate as Airlink........then again I was wondering just how strong is this LOA. How can NWA pilots dictate who mgmt picks to do business with?? Anyone?? AD
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Northwest considers other airlines to fly Mesaba routes

Northwest considers other airlines to fly Mesaba routes
Liz Fedor, Star Tribune

Published October 17, 2003 MESA17

Northwest Airlines said Thursday that it is preparing to solicit proposals from regional carriers who can fly routes now flown by Mesaba Airlines with Avro jets.

Last week, Northwest revealed that it may terminate the service agreement it has with Minneapolis-based Mesaba to fly regional Northwest routes with the 69-passenger Avro RJ-85 jets.

Those 36 planes were acquired by Northwest between 1996 and 2000, but now Northwest executives are looking at putting other planes on the Avro routes.

"The operating costs of the airplane are significantly higher than other aircraft that could operate in similar markets," Northwest CEO Richard Anderson said in a conference call with analysts and reporters.

"The original revenue assumptions that we used back when we made that decision in '96 have changed significantly, particularly after 9/11," Anderson said.

Northwest will decide by December whether to terminate its contract with Mesaba, which would be a big blow to Mesaba because it generates 40 percent of its revenue from the Avro flying.

Northwest is in the process of seeking proposals from other airlines to replace the Avros with smaller regional jets. "Mesaba is eligible, of course, to place a bid with respect to the replacement of that airplane," Anderson said.

Currently, Mesaba and Memphis-based Pinnacle Airlines are Northwest's only regional flying partners. Northwest has been allocating new Canadair Regional Jets (CRJs) to Pinnacle, which has restricted Mesaba from expanding operations.

"We would hope to place a competitive bid for Northwest's regional growth," Mesaba spokesman Dave Jackson said Thursday night. However, Northwest provides all of the planes to Mesaba and Pinnacle, and Mesaba only flies one type of jet -- the Avro -- that may be removed by Northwest.

Tom Wychor, chairman of the Mesaba pilots union, told Northwest pilots gathered in Memphis Thursday that Northwest management is using "whipsawing tactics" to play the Northwest, Mesaba and Pinnacle pilot groups against one another.

He contends the Avro decision was timed to influence Mesaba's pilot contract talks, which have dragged on for more than two years. The pilots currently are conducting a strike authorization vote.
 
I have never seen a NW LOA that says anything about XJ and 9E being the only allowable Airlinks. About a year ago there was a MEC resolution passses for only XJ and 9E to be branded Airlink service. NW has veto authority in all new codeshare agreements and they would be able to reject any offers from outside airlines.
 
Thanks Dointime.....that's the thing I was thinking of......a resolution! I kind of lost you on the last sentence but I think what you are saying is NW pilots/Union can veto Northwest entering into a new agreement with a new carrier. So I guess this is all just a bunch more smoke. This whole saga just makes me sick. Good luck guys! AD
 
Or Chautauqua.......now that their TA is done. Bryan Bedford has great ties with NWA still, being Mesaba's former CEO and all.

This shall be interesting to watch!
 
Or Chautauqua.......now that their TA is done. Bryan Bedford has great ties with NWA still, being Mesaba's former CEO and all.

Yeah, but CHQ pilots now make more $$ than Mesaba pilots do.
 
Bryan Bedford has great ties with NWA still, being Mesaba's former CEO and all.

Great ties?:confused: I think Bedford is still looking for a pair of forceps big enough to remove the boot in his arse when NWA "asked" him to resign. Besides, NWA likes exclusivity with its main airlink partners. Mesa and Chitty Kaka have too many irons in the fire for NWA's liking.
 
Eagle doesn't have to many irons in the fire and there is recent news they are getting bigger jets. Any comment?
 
You know... That Skywest rumor of them joining the Airlinks is starting to show some validity...

9E cannot go west based on our configuration, XJ is already there and they are looking to pull the plug. Skywest may actually be the one that NWA want's.

NWA does like the puppetmaster routine. I do not know how much Skywest will allow NWA to control.

For XJ... I hope this is just a tatic to try to get them to sign something less than the deserve.
 
Northwest will accept the lowest bid. It's all about cost.
 
Can't wait to see what they do to you guys over at 9E when you start contract talks. And by the way, we really appreciate the snide comments on the crew bus on the way in to work. Really classy.. What goes around, comes around.
 
What comments? We ride different buses and park in different parking lots.

After I thought about it for a while, it occured to me that DTW and MEM do park in the same area. Any comments that are snide or inappropriate are not representative of the PCL group as a whole. Yes we do have some smarta** guys who are capable of this, but who doesn't. I for one am going to support you as much as I can, heck I even ordered a hat so that I might be able to walk with you guys. That's right, a PCL guy wearing a hat:D . Hang in there and continue to hold your head high.
 
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Avrodriver:

I'm sure whatever you experienced on the crew bus was an isolated incident. Every group has a couple of bad apples including our own. Personally I've had nothing but positive experiences and been shown a lot of support by the pinnacle folks. Mud slinging on this board doesn't do anybody any good.:cool:
 
avrodriver said:
This goes directly against the NWA's LOA which states only XJ & 9E can operate as Airlink........then again I was wondering just how strong is this LOA.

I do not know if the NWA pilots have such an LOA but for the sake of conversation let's assume that they do.

Along comes the Company and suggests the creation a new subsidiary to operate regional jets. The LOA doesn't allow it, so the Company makes this offer:

If you (NWA pilots) agree to waive the LOA and allow us to create a new regional jet carrier, we will be able to transfer the Avros and the other jets from Mesaba to this new airline, IF Mesaba goes on strike. In addition, all the options that we have for RJs and all the RJs not already delivered to PCL, will go to this new airline. In exchange for your agreement, we guarantee that we will fill all of the Captain seats at that new carrier with furloughed NWA pilots.

How long do you think it would take the NWA MEC to give up the LOA and cut such a deal?
 
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Why would it be that Mesaba could'nt do exactly that instead of another regional, that way there would be no transfer of the Avro's, esp from an airline that has demonstrated that ability to fly and maintain them?
 
8HourPilot said:
Why would it be that Mesaba could'nt do exactly that instead of another regional, that way there would be no transfer of the Avro's, esp from an airline that has demonstrated that ability to fly and maintain them?
NW owns the leases on the Avro's, not Mesaba.
 
True NWA does own ther Avro's, but wouldnt it be easier for NWA to simply stay with Mesaba and do some sort of J4J with them, rather than transfer everything over to another airline, esp with the mod coming up on the Avro's. It would just save time/money to keep things where they are.
 
Another thought that this whole SkyWest deal may not be so far off. They are non union and NWA/XJ hate their labor unions.

I.E. just with the last two weeks mesaba has switched to outsourse Maintenance checks rather than our own mechanics, switched to a contract company for gate agents and rampies in MEM and let all of the union employes go, and is about furlough 24 union pilots.
 
screw mesa...

mesaba and aca should team up for the lcc idea.
 

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