noise abatement... I need your help.

[flying_gringo]

here's the gig...

I fly in and out of TOA on occasion, and I've been notified that I'm a bad person and horrible pilot because my noisy 210 made too much noise when departing IFR into the ether one morning. I'm curious about what they can do in punishing me as a bad person... as accoding to the letter - they say they want to ban my use of TOA.

Now I'm not well versed - but I tend to think in researching Torrance's municipal codes (at: http://municipalcodes.lexisnexis.com/codes/torrance/ ) that they really can't touch me. How could a municipality ban an aircraft from flying into a federally funded airport? It even seems to me that they're uncertain about this issue themselves... as take a read of this text:

"a) In the event that any person has been convicted of three (3) or more cumulative violations of the provisions of this Chapter 1, or of Sections 46.8.8. or 46.8.9. or of any other laws, rules or regulations of the City, State or the United States of America pertaining to the use of the Airport (including forfeiture of bail after being arrested or charged by citation or complaint with any such violation) within a three (3) year period, then for a period of three (3) years thereafter, such person shall be denied the right to land or takeoff from the Airport, except in bona fide emergencies for the preservation of life or property as reasonably determined by the Airport Manager and shall be denied the right to lease, rent or use space for aircraft (including tie-down) at the Airport insofar as the City has the right to deny such use of said Airport."

...it all sounds very sure of itself until it reads "insofar as the City has the right to deny such use of said Airport."

Now - I'm not a lawyer - but I remember someone saying that you can't prohibit airplanes pretty much going where they choose on a municipal level... as its all the interstate commerce rules from the stone age that govern our ops (federal laws - not local laws)... especially when the airport is federally funded - as TOA is... so what happens from here?

what are your thoughts? there are no penalties otherwise listed, and I don't feel bad about leaving the power up so I can avoid the old folks home at the end of the runway... (crashing makes much more noise then flying) ...and even if I was banned- I doubt the tower is checking a list to see who is banned when clearing me to land. So what happens? anyone have any stories?

thanks for your help... I look forward to your opinions.

fg

p.s. if I flew over your house that morning, and my noisy airplane woke you up and made you complain - TOUGH. MOVE AWAY FROM THE AIRPORT. It's only been there some 60+ years.

p.p.s tree huggers: I live less then 2 miles from an airport - and I love the noise... and I about killed my neighbor when he told me he didn't realize the airport was so close (Not TOA - a real airport without noise abatement), or there would be planes flying nearby when he bought his place. So don't whine at me for being insensitive or unexposed to this issue.

 

[WrightAvia]

your neighbor sounds like the guy that thinks nothing of running the noisy weed wackers and lawnmowers early on saturday or sunday, driving the gas guzzling escalade in the left lane slow, motoring on a harley with straight pipes (hey...I'll sacrifice performance for sound!), putting a blue oil slick on the surface of the lake while operating his boat, the barking dog he leaves in the back yard at all hours you want to shoot, the loud and obnoxious kids of his have at least one friend that won't replace a failing exhast system on the car and the other one has glass packs on his geo. Does this sound like your neighbor?

We'll he's an asshole...sneak up behind him when he's grilling with that stinky gas grill of his, grab his chin and the back of his head and snap his freaking neck.

Good luck on your noise abatement delio...get yourself a good aviation attorney.

 

[jdog78]

I personally think some noise abatement procedures are ridiculous, sometimes bordering on unsafe, e.g. KSNA. But in the interest of being good neigbors to the "newcomers," reducing manifold pressure and rpm on climbout can go a long way. You must admit, the 210 is one of the noisier birds heard climbing out of any given airport. At least you'll be doing your part. But if you need to depart at max power in the interest of safety, then I say flip them the bird as you fly past.

-j

 

[2000flyer]

If you are an AOPA member, get in touch with them. They have the low down on silly municipal codes and can offer advice.

2000Flyer