No Self Help @ Mesaba

[DetoXJ]

Looks like self help wont be an option at Mesaba if the Judge grants Mesaba's 1113 motion. A court ordered injunction against pilot self help will likely be part of the ruling. If a court order prohibiting pilot self help isn't granted than Mesaba will appeal the ruling. While under appeal pilots will not be able to exercise self help. Either way, self help is a long way away while things drag out for years in appeals court. Like Joe said, we are either going to get punched in the arm 3 times or 4 times, the choice is ours. Self help isn't going to be an option anytime soon.

 

[ReverseSensing]

Maybe you guys will have to fly real safe and by the book.

 

[Sig]

Looks like self help wont be an option at Mesaba if the Judge grants Mesaba's 1113 motion.

Dude, you look terrible. Seriously. Waaaayyyy too sick to fly. If I was half as ill as you looked, I'd call out sick a LOT.


You eat something bad last night? I think you have the green apple Wychors, maybe the Woerthless Squirts. Either way, you shouldn't be flying. Did you pass it on to the other crews? Man, they look kinda under the weather, too.

That SUCKS, an entire airline that is just too dang sick to fly.

 

[screwed_again]

Did you listen to the same conference call as me? The lawyer, Joe, said he didn't know how he'd rule on the Self-help issue; rather his decision on the issue would come with the ruling on the 1113c.

 

[blackbox]

what does self help mean?

 

[gnx99]

Someone clue me in on what "self-help" means in the legal world...

 

[DetoXJ]

Did you listen to the same conference call as me? The lawyer, Joe, said he didn't know how he'd rule on the Self-help issue; rather his decision on the issue would come with the ruling on the 1113c.

Right, he doesn't know. Nobody knows how the judge will rule. What Joe did know is that he is 100% certain that Mesaba will appeal any ruling that doesn't prevent pilot self help. He also said that the appeal could drag out for years and that while in appeal, we would be under a court order to not exercise self help.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Self help is the ability to strike.

 

[Max Powers]

deto xj don't be that much of a defeatest we still need to fight to the bitter end if they offer us something sub mesa then we go for self help no matter what the cost.

 

[Smarta$$]

what does self help mean?

Self help = masturbation. The courts will prohibit this because of the 1113 filling. This sucks. You cant even help yourself. And if you are furloughed you cant even have a FA do it for you.

 

[screwed_again]

Right, he doesn't know. Nobody knows how the judge will rule. What Joe did know is that he is 100% certain that Mesaba will appeal any ruling that doesn't prevent pilot self help. He also said that the appeal could drag out for years and that while in appeal, we would be under a court order to not exercise self help.

I agree with all of that.

 

[Rossa]

The contents of the conference call, although not secret in nature, should not be discussed so openly on an internet forum. A$$holes like Mr. Ed could be cruising around, instead of calculating fuel savings!

 

[8HourPilot]

It's good that the rest of the flying world knows this stuff.

 

[DetoXJ]

deto xj don't be that much of a defeatest we still need to fight to the bitter end if they offer us something sub mesa then we go for self help no matter what the cost.

It's Detox J. I wouldn't say I am a defeatest, I'm a realist. When our own attorney says that we are either going to take 3 kicks in the ballz or 4 kicks in the ballz, I'd say the writing is pretty much on the wall as to what is coming up for us. When the time comes, I will vote to authorize the MEC to call a strike if outrageous demands are forced upon the XJ Pilot group. However, our self help options will more than likely be very limited due to court orders.

 

[Pinkslip]

Alpa.....

What has it done for you?

 

[sweptback]

What has it done for you?

I don't claim to be a union cheerleader, but for crying out loud, what more could you expect them to do in the situation? If the judge bars you from striking, you don't seem to have a choice in that matter.

It's not the union's fault that our bankruptcy laws are so f**ked up.

 

[screwed_again]

When our own attorney says that we are either going to take 3 kicks in the ballz or 4 kicks in the ballz, I'd say the writing is pretty much on the wall as to what is coming up for us.

Jeeze, just figured that out! Take a look around. Every pilot group involved in a bankruptcy has taken it in the shorts. What makes you think Mesaba will be any different? Just because we don't make shiznit to begin with, doesn't mean they won't ask for less. They will ask, and they will get. Start thinking of plan B. Regionals were never intended to be "career airlines," and the mgmt is making that philosophy a reality. Get your time in and get the fuqu out.

 

[flyer172r]

Get your time in and get the fuqu out.

Unfortunately it's not that easy. Everybody and their brother has 1000 turbine PIC and a couple type ratings, and it's not like there's a whole bunch of better jobs to go to.

 

[Mesabi Miner]

There are lots of ways to perform self help other than walking the line. The Company has no idea how much we help them achieve the performance numbers they crave. I'm not referring to illegal or dangerous items; obviously those things are off the table. But more and more I don't feel the need to stick my neck out for the team effort. Our SLT has isolated their life blood employees. And yes, I have lots of unused sick time as well. We must stand strong, yet remain safe out there.

MM

 

[Mel Sharples]

There are lots of ways to perform self help other than walking the line.

Can I get a "hell yeah"!

They want 19.4% less pay, we will give them 19.4% work. It's that simple. We will be 100% committed to safety, however those little things that help are going right out the window. No more helping with bags, no more trying extra hard to be on time, nothing. They can jam it. It's called mutual respect and pretty soon they will see the downside of treating us like crap.

P.S. Foley, I know you still read these boards, you thin-skinned s.o.b. You created this, and now you will lay in it. Enjoy your turd sandwich!

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

No more cell phones! Start calling them on a pay phone inside the terminal for write ups.

 

[flyin backwards]

There are lots of ways to perform self help other than walking the line. The Company has no idea how much we help them achieve the performance numbers they crave. I'm not referring to illegal or dangerous items; obviously those things are off the table. But more and more I don't feel the need to stick my neck out for the team effort. Our SLT has isolated their life blood employees. And yes, I have lots of unused sick time as well. We must stand strong, yet remain safe out there.

MM

No lighted wands, guess we better sit here then. I think that gpu is outside the box, guess we better sit here then. I think we need a wing walker for the tug over there. Love to help ya, but I don't have any daycare sorry. And yep, out at 01 sorry. This is what ya get when you piss off everybody that works for ya spongebob.

 

[flyin backwards]

No more cell phones! Start calling them on a pay phone inside the terminal for write ups.

Yeah, collect.

 

[Icelandair]

Just look at what happened to Alaska's on time performance this past summer after the BK judge stole 37% of their pay. They were ranked 19 out of 19.

 

[hoover]

They may be able to keep you from striking, but they can't prevent you from quitting. From what I have heard about the proposed paycuts, FO's will be making something like 10K a year when it is all said and done. You can make more money doing just aboout ANYTHING else. All the FO's should resign and all the Check Airman/Instructor Captains should give up those duties. Not a strike, but just as effective, and perfectly legal.

 

[screwed_again]

Unfortunately it's not that easy. Everybody and their brother has 1000 turbine PIC and a couple type ratings, and it's not like there's a whole bunch of better jobs to go to.

You are absolutely right. If I just got into this industry or was just enrolled in a flight school, I would get out. I'm in my mid 30's, made $90,000 last year and will make less than $50,000 on my W-2 next along with increased health costs. I'm in a tough position. Do I get out now or take it in the shorts for another year and see what happens?

I would love to see this profession go from college-educated people to VoTech educated/GED losers and see how the airlines fair. Anyone with a half brain wouldn't pursue this career. What a disappointment...

 

[fieldinsight]

Right, he doesn't know. Nobody knows how the judge will rule. What Joe did know is that he is 100% certain that Mesaba will appeal any ruling that doesn't prevent pilot self help. He also said that the appeal could drag out for years and that while in appeal, we would be under a court order to not exercise self help.

If the judge imposes an injunction agaist self help, does ALPA plan to appeal? Sich an injunction would be precedent setting. And if ALPA doesn't appeal, it gives every other airline a new weapon to use....

 

[Monster Buck]

Use forums like this to spread the word. The day a contract is imposed and not agreed upon we don't show up. Union started or not. What happens if ALPA gets sued with a sick out. Well, I quess our millions in dues start to work, ALPA can foot the bill since they couldn't help in other ways.

 

[Flyin2low]

Are they going to use the BigSky certificate for the NewCo?

 

[labbats]

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060203/dcf049.html?.v=14

Mesaba management has proposed to slash wages while also imposing a 60% increase in health insurance premiums. Management is also seeking the right to outsource many jobs currently protected by job security provisions. Pilot pay currently starts at $21,000 per year. Flight attendants earn just $14,000 in starting pay, and mechanics start at $27,000. The cuts proposed by Mesaba are drastic -- in 2012 a starting pilot who elects family health insurance will gross just $10,700 annually.