NO please at Tranny!!

[gearup5]

Still Voting NO!
Scope 86 seats 114,000 lbs up to 25 aircraft. That is 250 pilots(a year of hiring)
Recall these retards.
P.S.
Sabby is not better than Surapine. He was in the crew lounge last night yakking. He is full of Sh*&%^ to.

 

[Frank Lorenzo]

1st thing that I checked was the pay rate reductions per hour we gave back to get back core block.

Why give anything back? Yet another negotiating team that believes that under RLA negotiations, you have to give up something in order to obtain something. Unbelieveable.

Some other poster made the point that you need a big union, big name lawyers, professional negotiators etc. to get a good contract. You know as well as I that there have been some great contracts negotiated by pilots, and some real turds conjured up by supposed "professional" negotiators. You have guys with many many years in this business at Tranny. I'm sure you have more than enough talent to come up with a negotiating team that knows the ins and outs of contractual language.

Before you ask why uncle Frank has an interest in your TA, think about the current state of pattern bargaining and the implications of your contract on the rest of the industry.

Do you think I want our management presenting your CRAPPY contract in front of our negotiators as industry standard or what we have to compete with?

RAISE THE FRIGGIN BAR!

You raise it, everyone will follow and trump it. Then no management team will be able to whine about some other airline's supposed "competitive advantage."

Get with the program. Joe CAN afford to pay you well, and give you a great QOL. It is his job to manage the airline, not yours.

 

[mnboyev]

Why couldnt they negotiate brake release... not gns movement ? Why giveback to get core credit and min day? He11 we already are relaxing reserve, insurance, FO rates, Per Diem, Training, Retirement.. WTFO... ? Last and final offer? Please........

What gains did we get in QOL.... nothing that I can tell.....this all bums me out fellas... Pay is good here as a left seater.. and will get better I hope. (not so good for FO's)... and its gonna get tougher for FO's with upgrade times slowly increasing.

We're gettin rid of 25 dollar JS crap...a small payraise.... and your gonna work your arse off.... HMM sounds great...

Thanks NWA for the great contract that we have to fight against... Way to set the bar high... No ALPA... No fricn way.. I agree with Lorenzo .... did I really say that? Hard work and solidarity... only answer to our little problem...

Gotta go look at the POS.... later.... I wanted to go fishin... now I gotta spend time again on the Union site...... childish at best....

 

[Lear70]

OK, folks... newest update on my web page.

Rebuttal Bulletpoints #2 as well as a detailed graph presentation of the new pay rates as compared to CPI (Consumer Price Index increase - inflation), and industry average Small Narrow Body "major" airlines' pay rates.

 

[Diesel-9]

Mny Boy. You need to look at some history. Where and when the contracts all slid down to your levels. Take some responsibility supporting your world. How about CAL Ch-11's and work rules destroyed and they still haven't repaired them. UAL, AAA suffering thru Ch-11. AMR caved after a 10 minutes of talks and gave-gave-gave. At that time I then made $191 an hour on the DC-9, more than an AMR 777 Capt. Hard to stand up to all that. Ugly cycle downwards for a long time. With Katrina, jet fuel $140+ and all the above, NWA/DAL joined the party. Considering Ch-11 world, saved many work rule numbers from falling to UAL/AAA/CAL levels with duty rigs/ave. day etc. The majors are on the upswing as in the past and now the LCC's are hitting the wall. Good luck in your fight. Cobra Air has had more strikes than most others combined and done more than their part in the past.

 

[Max Powers]

The majors are on the upswing as in the past and now the LCC's are hitting the wall. Good luck in your fight. Cobra Air has had more strikes than most others combined and done more than their part in the past.

Yea you go NWA real upswing replace 60% of your DC-9 with Emb-170's and CRJ-900's flown by another company. YeeeehAAAAA man. You do have a dozen 787 coming but flown at pay rates lower than AirTran's new TA. Heck of a deal.

 

[mnboyev]

Respectfully Diesel....Not sure what you mean by "responsibility"? 10 Yr Tranny Cappy proposed TA rates : 149 bucks... Hey.. not really bitchin bout the rates..(Always can be higher, right?) its all the other nickel dime crap... How bout them 5 day trips that my buds at Red Rudder fly... sounds great... I never fly 5 day trips (except for monthly integration) How bout that average day? Per Diem ? All the same garbage getting handed to us... And we all know where Management is getting it from... Your little CBA thats in effect till 2011.. And what is worse ... Our Union and some fella named Seth thinks we should endorse the TA.. no wait the LFO... no wait TA2 !!!

Yeah jet fuel prices suck... no doubt.. everyone deals with that across the industry...(except lofty SWA) That's managements job to handle that, not the pilots. Yeah AA caved to continue to dominate the world. But as I recall, the APA fellas are asking for big returns for remaining outside of the Bunkruptcy Club?... And I believe they will probably gain respectable ground as the industry recovers.

Not willing to give up my QOL... NWA caved to save your retirement.. that is obvious..maybe 'caved' is the wrong word..held to the fire ...whatever... we dont have a pension just a 10.5 DC. Heck.. wish I had a pension... well, I take that back.. maybe not ... lol

The low Fare crowd... which I guess I am included in... is a farce... wanna see who has the lowest fares to any city? Check out Kayak . com... This is top secret... but AirTran is rarely the lowest fare !!!.... shhhh..... It is Delta and NWA .... Hmmm... Funding NWA's turf war with the employees pockets... get my drift. Reducing aircraft and employing 300 hr wonders from Riddle and NDSU in RJ's and Saab's... Had a new hire ASA on the jumpseat.. nice kid... litterally 500 hrs? Are you not parking 70 of the ol 9's ?

I think when I got hired at Eagle back in 94 I had 1600... WTFO.. Most did their 2-5 years got some PIC and off you went to the real job... right?? How's that for history... Well not the case !... Kids are spending 8-10 yrs and some 'kids' are leaving the industry due to pay and work rules... article in the star last week... check it out.... cant blame em..??

Sorry for my ramble.. My point is that pilots of ALL carriers need to support one another and continue to push for work rules that support our families and contribute to respectable home life. We want Pilots to continue to be assets and leaders in our communities.. Seek to maintain high standards .... Dont let our profession and pay dwindle to 5 Day trips.. 2 days off and back on for 5 !!!! Average day.. Extended Duty.. Reduced Pay.. Increased Scope Flexibility.. all bad... very very bad !!

Thanks... respectfully... MNBOY.... ex NWA Maint fella 021300

 

[PCL_128]

Our Union and some fella named Seth thinks we should endorse the TA.. no wait the LFO... no wait TA2 !!!

That is not what Seth said. The message from Seth in the latest mailing from the NPA was just his summary of the possible consequences of rejecting the TA. Based on his dealings with the NPA leadership, he is probably under the assumption that this pilot group isn't informed and educated on this process, and isn't ready to go all the way for this contract. Seth was not endorsing this TA at all.

 

[SkiFishFly]

Seth was not endorsing this TA at all.

And I am not endorsing it either. How long until I get to vote


NO

again? My answer is no until we see pay raises with no concessions.

 

[wood pecker]

I will go for the chance to go on strike and then lose my job since AAI has no cash just like the letter said that I got today. I am glad they did not get Midwest since AAI has no cash. That would have been embarassing, AAI wins the $450mil bid for MEH but they really have no money so the deal is off.

 

[Lear70]

I will go for the chance to go on strike and then lose my job since AAI has no cash just like the letter said that I got today. I am glad they did not get Midwest since AAI has no cash. That would have been embarassing, AAI wins the $450mil bid for MEH but they really have no money so the deal is off.

LOL - nice one.

I got a chance to speak at length with Seth Rosen in D.C.

He has been told again and again that we don't have the cajones as a group to obtain an "industry-leading" contract so, as a fall-back position, he's agreeing with the mindset to obtain some gains in pay and ride on the coattails in 6-7 years of the other carriers who really attain gains.

It's all about risk management and loss/gain calculations, and the NPA isn't willing to try to play hardball, so Seth has pointed out what they can get without taking it to the mat.

Take it to the mat, and the entire game changes. THAT'S what the NPA won't tell you, because they're not prepared to fight that fight.

 

[Lear70]

Double post... Flightinfo is slow tonight, everyone must be online.

 

[PinnacleDude]

Before you ask why uncle Frank has an interest in your TA, think about the current state of pattern bargaining and the implications of your contract on the rest of the industry.

Do you think I want our management presenting your CRAPPY contract in front of our negotiators as industry standard or what we have to compete with?

RAISE THE FRIGGIN BAR!

You raise it, everyone will follow and trump it. Then no management team will be able to whine about some other airline's supposed "competitive advantage."

Get with the program. Joe CAN afford to pay you well, and give you a great QOL. It is his job to manage the airline, not yours.

Excellent post. Thank you!

 

[PinnacleDude]

Yea you go NWA real upswing replace 60% of your DC-9 with Emb-170's and CRJ-900's flown by another company. YeeeehAAAAA man. You do have a dozen 787 coming but flown at pay rates lower than AirTran's new TA. Heck of a deal.

.... and it will be the AirTran guys that have the same problem if you vote this in. I give Lear a lot of credit for pointing out the GLARING flaws in this deal. I know most of the guys on here know you don't have to take it, but are you educating the Captains and FO's you are flying with?

Good luck. We're all counting on you!