"No more simles and JO is smart", says AZ paper

[altscap]

hey phxflyr

we've got 33 86-seaters, with 5 more arriving by july...don't like it? waaaaaaaaa, quitcher bitchin and go cry to doug...IT'S NOT OUR FAULT!!!!! Most of us (with the exception of the fabulus freedumb 58) ar trying to get outta here, but no-one has been hiring until recently. Wha'ts the matter, your upgrade been delayed because a 737/A320 won't make a profite flying to MRY, or EUG?? waaaaaaaa, go cry to doug...IT'S NOT OUR FAULT!!!! Jumpseating on one of our airplanes to a location you don't fly to? Quitcher bitchin!!!!! I'm so sick of your guys looking down at me because I fly an RJ instead of a dash - get a freaking life!!!! Mine is too short for your tears; you've got the best scheduling system in the country with PBS, meanwhile I'm being forced to work on my days off, and they won't even pay overtime. While you're at it why don't you talk to your flight sched. dept. about how to run an airline...I'm tired of sitting in the penalty box for 30+ minutes waiting for a gate to open because they can't figure out that 40 departures + 50 arrivals = 10 planes with nowhere to go. LOSER!

For everyone else, fairly reliable sources have it that there are at least two very ancient 737s on the property waiting for their turn on the freedumb ticket (oh yeah, it's still out there). Dont' be surprised if jo tries to snag a couple of gates and slots on the east coast for these relics. yeah, he'd love a piece of USair, and he definately knows what he's doing...I've supported him financially (against my will) for 6 years.

 

[rtmcfi]

You know why you have 33 86 seaters with 5 more on the way? Cause your pilot group sold out, taking an entire industry with them. This IS your fault.
You are not looked down upon by all of your peers because you fly an RJ. You are rightfully shunned because your pilot group operates RJs for dirt wages. Unfortunatly you don't operate in a vaccum. Mesa pilots dropping so quickly to their knees has hurt all pilots.

Forced to work on your days off? Cry to someone else. Not being paid overtime? Your own fault...
Tired of sitting in the penalty box with no pay? Cry to JO, don't bother us with your pity party. Plenty of other airlines are block or better, per leg. You and/or your pilot group made your bed. Now lie in it.

Forced to support JO's motorcycle habit for 6 years??? This really kills me. Who has the gun to your head?

 

[Soulfly]

Interesting,

Quite a few Mesa pilots fail to realize that none of the flying they do is theirs. Exception being the ABQ operation. Period. End of discussion. When someone elses airline colors are painted on your plane it is not YOUR flying.

Altscap. Calling someone (that has no control over the issue) a loser because of gates not being available. Priceless.

One last thing. If JO has anything to do with anything, we all should be very concerned.



Peace...

 

[Morning Wood]

To the original discussion at hand, I'll agree with
JO is scum. I wouldn't pi$$ on him if he was on fire. I'd pour gasoline on him and laugh. If he's got something to do with the AWA and USAir merger, I feel sorry for everyone involved. Be sure to stock up on Vasoline. I promise you that you'll need
it.

With gas as expensive as it, I think I'd save it and use in my lawnmower
or something.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Regionals do get a fair shake already. We don't need a ridiculous lawsuit that will create numerous problems.

Honestly, do you really believe the guys at the majors give a flip about GIA? There are GIA pilots at every major airline in the country. That being said, I'm not really a fan of GIA. I went there because I didn't know any better at the time. That's the case for most GIA pilots. Live and learn.



No intention of buying my way in to anything Wil. Unlike the idiots at the RJDC that thought they could win a DOH seniority grab with a lawsuit, I actually plan to get my job at a major someday the old fashioned way. You know, actually interview and get the job.

Oh yeaaah,
seriously, licking a$$ is not how one interviews, maybe at GIA but not in the real world. Wake up and smell the poo.
PBR

 

[Stinkbug]

If you bought the right seat at GIA how can you be against regional pilots getting a fair shake? Are you trying to kiss up to the majors? I can't believe GIA gets much respect from the majors. Fly, or in the case of GIA, buy safe-

PS- what are you doing on the majors board? Think you can buy your way in?

A fellow I flew with last week went through the GIA right seat program several years ago. He's currently furloughed from Northwest. Point being that I don't think most people in the real world care where a person gained flight time. Wil, you're at ASA, right? Isn't this a little bit of the pot calling the kettle black?

 

[UpNDownGuy]

Wow. I never thought I'd see the day when pilots where referring to Johnny O as a "genius". Any pilot who thinks he's a genius has never sat in the same room with him for more than two minutes. I have, by the way, more times than I care to count. If his IQ is north of 110 I'm Frank Lorenzo. He's simply not that bright. What differentiates him from other CEO's is his complete and utter lack of morals or decency. He's never come up with a new or revolutionary idea in his entire miserable life. He is a one-trick pony: Cut the employee's wages, and keep them himself. That's it; that's all he has to offer.

Which brings me to my second point, which is the irritating habits pilots have of referring to shady deals as "just business". No, it's not. Screwing employees is NOT "just business". It is screwing someone. Learn the difference. It goes hand-in-hand with the ignorant regurgitation of the phrase "fidiciary responsibility". As in, "I have a fidiciary responsibility to the shareholders to increase their value, so I'm cutting your pay 50%". If that was the case then all CEO's would be required to not pay their employees at all. Most airline CEO's would actually be required to INCREASE employees pay if that were the case. Look at SWA, and tell me the correlation between high wages/shareholder value. You could make the case that high wages, and treating your employees well results in higher profits. So please, the next time you are tempted to spout off with the word "businessman" or the phrase "fiduciary responsibility", pause...think for a moment...and then say "How 'bout those Lakers?"

 

[crj579]

The real evil genius is the person who envisioned all the infighting that would take place between the same union members. In fact, PHXflyer, is playing right into JO's handbook.
If it is really your flying, why don't ya come and get it back? Hmmm...Yeah, thats what I thought.... You were the same person calling the CRJ a barbie jet a few years ago.

What was it that a union stands for... Unity, or something like that....

 

[PHXFLYR]

Playing right into JO's handbook? That's really rich coming from someone who works there. Find it real interesting that some of the biggest winers amongst the new hires here seem to come from Mesa. And the one's that gripe about ALPA the most come from Mesa. Time to grow up,children and accept the fact that JO decimated the entire regional airline industry by undercutting and underbidding everyone and anyone in sight, in the process taking down great companies such as Air Wisconsin and Piedmont that have been around for years.

PHXFLYR

 

[crj579]

And what are you accomplishing by bashing Mesa pilots, PHXflyer? Do you think your words will stop pilots from applying to Mesa. Even if it weren't Mesa, it would be another airline that they would flock to. If you really look at the difference between all the regionals, there is really not much of a difference. Maybe a couple thousand a year give or take between all of them.

Whining is what You are doing. Instead, what is your solution to the problem?
BTW, I don't work for Mesa.

 

[Wesb737fo]

hey guys,

take it easy, management types must love reading about the ill-will they've created. Phxflyr, I see you have alot of experience and I respect that, but the MESA guys can't help who they work for. Let's face it...they got "played" just like alot of pilot groups. JO worked us over from 1998 to 2002 (that's when I left). They took guys flying Be-1900's ($29/hr) and said we'll give you $56/hr. What 1900 driver wouldn't jump at that? There was a promise of better pay and work rules if we played ball. Well guess what? He lied!

Then he "Freedomed" the pilot group. Enough people were greedy and foolish enough to jump ( a little more than 50 or so from what I understand) and JO was successful in using "Freedom Air" to whipsaw the MESA guys into another poor contract. Bravo Mr. O...Bravo...

We all have our share of the blame in letting management get away with it. A scope clause would have been handy at AWA. And yes MESA guys need to stick together and make sure they don't get played any more. But let's not get into ripping each other.

I know that's alot to ask considering what has happened, but let's figure out how to stick together and get what we are worth.

 

[PHXFLYR]

OK....fair enough.


PHXFLYR

 

[miles otoole]

Find it real interesting that some of the biggest winers amongst the new hires here seem to come from Mesa.
PHXFLYR

I think you meant WINOs

 

[LoveGun]

UpNDownGuy,

That was one of the bests posts I've read on this board.

 

[Relic01]

PHXFLYR,

I'd like to know your background because you are full of s*h*i*t, yeah, I said it. Everyone working at a regional has the same ambition as you had and looks forward to someday making it to whatever their dream flying job is. I can remember a number of years back when pilots looking to get hired
said all kinds of nasty things about southwest and their lousy contract...you know what dingbat, those are the same guys now begging for jobs there. Look at the contracts from the 90's, southwest was looked down upon but they made money and they continue to make money. They knew their place and catered to their customers. I'm not defending JO and the contract but for some arse like yourself to open your mouth and blame the entire Mesa workforce and look down on them is ridiculous. Mesa provides some of the lowest rate amongst regional carriers. We helped when AWA had their own financial problems. I know many fine pilots at AWA who don't share your opinion.

I work at Mesa and I do feel that things could be better but I have never spoken to a pilot from another regionalwho can look me in the eyes and say thateverything was fine and dandy. The pilot workforce was force to accept that contract and we have worked hard with ALPA to address the contract violations. I am within my first year at Mesa and have held 12 to 15 days off in the last three bids. I love my job and trust that with contract negotiation coming up we will be able to address a number of issues with our contract.

 

[white E]

PHXFLYR,

I'd like to know your background because you are full of s*h*i*t, yeah, I said it. Everyone working at a regional has the same ambition as you had and looks forward to someday making it to whatever their dream flying job is. I can remember a number of years back when pilots looking to get hired
said all kinds of nasty things about southwest and their lousy contract...you know what dingbat, those are the same guys now begging for jobs there. Look at the contracts from the 90's, southwest was looked down upon but they made money and they continue to make money. They knew their place and catered to their customers. I'm not defending JO and the contract but for some arse like yourself to open your mouth and blame the entire Mesa workforce and look down on them is ridiculous. Mesa provides some of the lowest rate amongst regional carriers. We helped when AWA had their own financial problems. I know many fine pilots at AWA who don't share your opinion.

I work at Mesa and I do feel that things could be better but I have never spoken to a pilot from another regionalwho can look me in the eyes and say thateverything was fine and dandy. The pilot workforce was force to accept that contract and we have worked hard with ALPA to address the contract violations. I am within my first year at Mesa and have held 12 to 15 days off in the last three bids. I love my job and trust that with contract negotiation coming up we will be able to address a number of issues with our contract.

That will change

 

[PHXFLYR]

Lemme see .....1700 hrs, oh... sorry; 1700 PLUS hours and less than 1 year at Mesa. Talk to me when your "Honeymoon" is over,OK?

PHXFLYR

 

[FlyChicaga]

Thanks to JO, now I know why the name Frank Lorenzo makes so many pilots blood boil. I was too young to experience that fiasco. But seeing this one, now I understand. JO must have "Being a CEO" by Frank Lorenzo in his back pocket.

Disgusting. I'm just surprised the pilots at Mesa haven't just got up and all quit.

 

[Wesb737fo]

Hey Relic,

Nice to hear you pop off about standing up to JO. I hope you guys really mean it this time. Phxflyr was kind of harsh on you guys and, I know you have a dog in this fight, but, dude really, look at the difference in experience between yourself and PHXflyr. In an earlier post I asked him to ease up on you guys and I think he agreed. Drop us a post in another year and try to stay away from the dark side. You see, I too was once a young Jedi like yourself.

good luck, you will need it

 

[PHXFLYR]

Wesb737fo;

Great post! Hopefully,junior will take your advice and stay away from "the dark side". Who knows? Time will tell... By the way, thanks for acknowledging my "experience", but to be quite honest with you,that and a $1.85 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks ! (at least thats what they are charging in PHX nowadays! )



PHXFLYR