No jumpseaters in EMB120

[L.A.pilot]

This just in-

Jumpseaters are no longer allowed in the cockpit jumpseat of the Brasilia, per FAA directive, as the door cannot be shut while the observer seat is occupied. This includes FAA, secret service, etc. no exceptions.

 

[MartinFierro]

Interesting. How does the FAA propose to conduct line checks, observation rides, etc. I wonder? Or maybe they have no clue either?

 

[skyboat]

So does this ground every airliner that does not have a cockpit door? I don't think so. I'll wait till Paul Harvey tells me the "rest of the story".

 

[1900laker]

That would ground 1900s as well

 

[skypine27]

No more jumpseats at SkyWest on the EMB. We just got the memo today.

As for line checks, the door remains closed and the check airman/fed rides in row one with a headset plugged in. So it's not all bad.

 

[shamrock]

Never been on a Brasilia and I'm just curious but were offline jumpseaters actually allowed to ride in the cockpit jumpseat before this? I was under the impression that most airlines were only allowing their own pilots to ride in the cockpit due to "safety" considerations, offliners had to ride in back.

On the plus side, it is nice not having a check airman or fed literally looking over your shoulder during an enroute/line check.

 

[skypine27]

Shamrock:

No way. SkyWest, ACA, ComAir, ASA, and Great Lakes all used to allow off line jumpseaters to ride in the cockpit it the back was full

 

[FlyingSig]

Just curious.... does this mean that a "jumpseater" can no longer sit in the back if a seat is available? Or does this only apply to actually sitting in the jumpseat?

Not that it really matters for my commute as the EMB-120 is usually weight restricted and you can't get on non-rev'ing, forget about jumpseating.

 

[TriStar_drvr]

Skypine27, please clarify your statement, "no more jumpseats on the EMB." Does that mean no offline pilots can ride in the cabin if there is an empty seat, or does that mean no one in the cockpit seat (such as Feds, other Skywest pilots). Since September 11, offline pilots have already been excluded from the cockpit on all airlines. So if I interpret your statement correctly, then this should just affect Feds and Skywest (and codeshare) pilots when the cabin is full. I just want to know if offline pilots are prohibited from riding in the cabin.

You guys have always treated me well when I have ridden on you, and you're still always welcome on us.

 

[skypine27]

TriStar:

That's not entirely true about offline jumpseats being restricted from the actual jumpseat since Sept 11th. For the past several months, SkyWest's jumpseat policy has been the same as pre-sept 11th. We HAVE been taking off line jumpseaters and letting them sit in the actual cockpit jumpseat, if the cabin was full.

Now however, because we need to close the cockpit door at all times (which we cant do with a jumpseater in the EMB) NO ONE at all is allowed to sit in the actual jumpseat. However, if there are seats open in the cabin, we still take unlimited 'jumpseats'.

 

[L.A.pilot]

That's not really accurate. SkyWest has been taking Delta pilots in the actual jumpseat on Delta Connection flights, and United (or United Express carrier) pilots on United Express flights.

 

[skypine69]

27, i dont know what kind of crack you are smoking, but i think I need some! Why is this concept so difficult to understand??? Pre 9-11: Unlimited j/s including the actual. Offline pilots allowed to sit in actual j/s. Post 9-11: unlimited j/s. Online pilots only allowed in actual. Out of UAX cities UAL pilots allowed in actual. In DLC cities, DAL pilots allowed in actual. Now: NO ONE is allowed in the actual. Will still accept unlimited offline pilots if seat available in the back.

How long is this stupid restriction of offline pilots sitting in the actual going to be imposed by the FAA??? At least now i dont always have to go thru security when I go to work!!! Does the FAA actually trust me to fly my plane now????

Fly safe!

 

[~~~^~~~]

Flying Sig:

At ASA, any open seat is a jumpseat - but you are probably better off using a pass. For one thing the gate agents are still confused on the J/S policy and tend to say "no" when they are unsure of the correct answer.

The policy in the RJ is to allow Delta pilots in the jumpseat if the cabin is full. This is kind of disappointing because it would be fun to have you on the J/S for a leg, or two.

The Delta scope treats E120's the same as CRJ700's. When the block hour limitations are reached the E120's will disappear fast. Cities like VLD, SPS, ILE and others will lose service. Cities like ROA, CRW, HOU and LEX will have the number of flights reduced due to the extra capacity the RJ provides.

In any event, welcome aboard while we still have service to whatever city you commute from.

Regards,
~~~^~~~

 

[Jungle Prop]

Hey guys, I've been on vacation for while and didn't hear of any changes. Are we at ASA not taking ANY jumpseaters on the E120 in the cockpit anymore?

 

[regionalcap]

You are correct. No jumpseaters are allowed to sit on the actual jumpseat in the emb-120. No exceptions.

 

[ifly4food]

The Delta scope treats E120's the same as CRJ700's. When the block hour limitations are reached the E120's will disappear fast. Cities like VLD, SPS, ILE and others will lose service. Cities like ROA, CRW, HOU and LEX will have the number of flights reduced due to the extra capacity the RJ provides.

In any event, welcome aboard while we still have service to whatever city you commute from.

Regards,
~~~^~~~

Your skill in hijacking every post into a scope debate truly amazes me.
If you want to debate scope and all that, we will, but I ask you to keep it in the appropriate threads.
Ifly4food
moderator

 

[FlyingSig]

The Delta scope treats E120's the same as CRJ700's. When the block hour limitations are reached the E120's will disappear fast. Cities like VLD, SPS, ILE and others will lose service. Cities like ROA, CRW, HOU and LEX will have the number of flights reduced due to the extra capacity the RJ provides.

Actually, on my personal commute (IAH-DFW), ASA has doubled EMB service .... (ok from 1 flight to 2...but that's still doubling!) , while that other scope issue has creeped in with SkyWest completly replacing all Comair flights...

This is kind of disappointing because it would be fun to have you on the J/S for a leg, or two.

My offer still stands to discuss "the issues" over a beer anytime...

Your skill in hijacking every post into a scope debate truly amazes me.
If you want to debate scope and all that, we will, but I ask you to keep it in the appropriate threads.

IFF,

Cut the guy some slack...actually, I'm very impressed he got through a whole post without using the term alter-ego!

 

[~~~^~~~]

Flying Sig: I'll buy the beer... of course it would have to be an alter ego brand like Modelo instead of Dos Equis. It would be fun, although I am in ATL now.


Best Regards,
~~~^~~~

 

[ifly4food]

For some reason the moderator is not so "moderate" as far as I am concerned. We will see what happens, but I think he is afraid I'm giving you too hard a time.

I don't think asking you to keep the threads on topic it too much to ask. Cheap shot about my "moderation" not necessary.