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Les Paul said:
(Sorry.... but High School Graduate is NOT and should not be considered education by our peers at our supposed level of achievement).

Les Paul
We could demand a 4 year degree, but that would have also excluded such fine aviators as Orville and Wilbur Wright, Chuck Yeager and Charles Lindbergh to name a few, who knew a little something about flying airplanes. But then again a "High School Graduate is NOT, and should not, be considered education by our peers at our supposed level of achievement."
 
Les Paul said:
Its rather pathetic that as Professional Pilots we have to ask if you can be hired without education. (Sorry.... but High School Graduate is NOT and should not be considered education by our peers at our supposed level of achievement).

The fact that Southwest hires someone with out an education is unbelieveable.

Les Paul
Les,
Yes that 4 year degree sure came in handy while wiping the frost off the Beechs windows in the UP in the dead of winter.

Jobear
 
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The fact that Southwest hires someone with out an education is unbelieveable.

Les Paul
Define "education"..........

Just because someone that sat through a certain number of classes to meet a certain criteria to get a certain degree, does not necessarily mean that they are "educated". It's a friggin piece of paper, which does not determine a person's ability to fly an aircraft

Am I "educated" , if, after completing 2 years of college (most of which was mind numbingly boring), I chose to take a job flying multi engine aircraft with very low total time? Would I have been smarter getting the 4 year degree instead?

The 4 year degree is a ridiculous requirement for a pilot position. A fat logbook with lots of good experience should be a more important requirement.....

I am glad that we don't require it.... If we did, we would have passed on a few real good folks/pilots (not including myself, of course ;) )!


Heck, my dad had a 30 year career with Pan Am and Delta, and only has a HS education.....
 
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I'm in operations and have a Bachelor's and a Master's don't use either one of them. However, both were from Kentucky which some consider just a step below high school level. While the college ticket is the way the game is played now, I question the actual nutritional value. Oh well, keeps the education bureaucrats off the streets gainfully employed.
If someone needs a degree you're welcome to one of mine!
 
Was Hoot Gibson the Shuttle commander on the John Glenn
mission?
I thought the commander on that mission was at AA?

I don't think that Hoot was the Commander of that mission.

Hoot was hired at SWA 11/96, and I'm pretty sure he didn't fly any shuttle missions after that..... The Glenn mission was in the fall of '98, iirc.....
 
Nicely said tripower 455

It is nice to hear from real pilots who made it without a four year degee. The degree has nothing to do with flying an airplane and more and more this is being supported by people like you who have a fantastic career. For all you pilot want to bes read this. If you want to be a pilot fly airplanes. I bet you have an Olds, about 1969? am I close?
 
It is nice to hear from real pilots who made it without a four year degee. The degree has nothing to do with flying an airplane and more and more this is being supported by people like you who have a fantastic career. For all you pilot want to bes read this. If you want to be a pilot fly airplanes.
Thanks for the compiment... I agree, to an extent about flying airplanes. I got lucky though. My advice to anyone that asks is to stay in school though, because you never know..........

I bet you have an Olds, about 1969? am I close?
Pretty close...... Pontiac! '66 GTO Convert with a modified '74 455 in it.....
 
While I agree that a college degree does not provide any insight as to ones ability to fly an airplane, its does however show that one can take $hit for 4 years, which from alot of you guys, seems to be a requirement for the regionals.


I have a old bud that flys for Airtran that does not have one day of college, but he had lots of jet time.
 
do what ever it takes to get your "dream" job (career).

There were 2 guys in my newhire class at SWA without college degrees. That is 2 out of 26. College degree is not needed at SWA, but do you want to shoot for the 24 job openings or the 2 openings
 
RE post on college degrees

The reason most pilots hired have college degrees, it because most pilots applying have college degrees. So if almost everyone applying has a college degree, then almost everyone hired will have a college degree. Non degreed pilots with 1000's of TJ PIC getting hired at a high rate
 
My not having a 4 year degree cost me 1 and possibly 2 jobs.

The first was with TWA. The commuter I was working for (Trans World Express....NO affiliation with Trans States.....) was wholly owned by TWA. When they shut the commuter down in '95, pretty much everyone who didn't already have another job got hired with TWA. I wasn't eligible, since I am undereducated (7000 hours TT wasn't enough for them I guess). No loss whatsoever!



The second was Delta. In the summer of '99 (or '00, I can't recall), a contemporary of my dads from Pan Am, who also went to DAL and was working in the office after age 60, called him up inquiring if I was interested in working for DAL. He was in a position to get me an interview. I was in my 4th year at SWA, but the pay and benefit differential at DAL made it worth at least looking into, so I decided to apply and interview. While I was filling in the UPAS, I got to the logbook grid, and before spending hours doing graduate level calculus to make it all work, I checked the minimum requirements, just to be sure. I didn't think that there was any problem, but totalling 4 years of a logbook is a lot of work. When I saw the 4 year requirement, I called my dad, who called his friend, who said (paraphrased) "I don't see there being any problem with that... I haven't seen an applicant with his time and experience in the last six months, plus, we're stealing him from SWA! I'll check and make sure". He calls back 5 minutes later, ticked off. They wouldn't waive it. He couldn't believe that they would turn down an applicant with: 5 type ratings, current and qualified on 4 different 737s, FE TJ rating with well over 10,000 hours TT, 9000 or so of it in 135/121 airline commuter experience.

That said........ I am SOOOOOO glad that I wasn't "qualified" to fly for DAL, as there was a small chance that I would've gone if hired.

Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good........ ;)
 
I think I can remember flying with a few idiots that had all kinds of degrees. Not that there is anything wrong with having a degree of course.

Would you rather be an over achiever or an under achiever? Hmmmm....
 

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