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[fischman]

But, if I understand correctly, NJI was more profitable than NJA. Doesn't that speak well for Noe and Eyer? I have worked with both of them, and was very impressed. Our ops under NJI were smoother and more efficient, with better customer service and employee morale, even with no union to protect us. I see the same set of facts as y'all do, but come to vastly different conclusions.

The Gulfstream is a more expensive aircraft compared to a 400xp, so the profit margins for a sale are larger. Seeing as how we aren't selling shares, or are selling smaller shares on smaller aircraft I don't believe this is the truth any longer.

 

[BentOver]

Selling shares in this economy is a tough thing. Ordering planes and hoping to sell shares? Suicidal. I have been through recurrents too, and haven't had ANY of the stuff thrown at me that you describe. NOTHING. I work here too, as do my friends at the former NJI, and we don't understand any of this acrimony. Its not that we just disagree on the fixes, we don't even agree about the facts on the ground. NJA is the best run company I ever worked for, except for NJI, and I worked for 23 of them. It is not perfect, nothing in this world is. Which company are y'all comparing NetJets to?

I guess it depends on when you last went to recurrent... An SIC almost gave a verbatim description of the FUD that was thrown his way by one of the top guys during the managment sit down portion of recurrent.

And last years Sokol altimatim was most definitely a threat that was meant to scare the pilots.. I don't know how anyone could see it any way different?

 

[CA1900]

Sokol even gave a date that he'd do it if we didn't cave. Fortunately, he got his criminal ass fired two days before that date!

 

[G4dude]

I guess it depends on when you last went to recurrent... An SIC almost gave a verbatim description of the FUD that was thrown his way by one of the top guys during the managment sit down portion of recurrent.

And last years Sokol altimatim was most definitely a threat that was meant to scare the pilots.. I don't know how anyone could see it any way different?

Recurrent was in August. We at NJI are amazed and befuddled by the "news" that comes out of the union, when we are sailing along pretty well, hoping the economy improves so we can sell more shares to owners and hire more pilots. I don't know anyone who has experienced first hand the things y'all describe.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Recurrent was in August. We at NJI are amazed and befuddled by the "news" that comes out of the union, when we are sailing along pretty well, hoping the economy improves so we can sell more shares to owners and hire more pilots. I don't know anyone who has experienced first hand the things y'all describe.

It's one of the many benefits (curses?) to doing recurrent in Savannah and not in the echo chamber.

 

[CA1900]

I don't know anyone who has experienced first hand the things y'all describe.

I personally know about five, plus myself, who have witnessed this first-hand.

Just because you're not seeing it doesn't mean it's not happening. It is.

 

[imacdog]

Recurrent was in August. We at NJI are amazed and befuddled by the "news" that comes out of the union, when we are sailing along pretty well, hoping the economy improves so we can sell more shares to owners and hire more pilots. I don't know anyone who has experienced first hand the things y'all describe.

More owners leaving the program versus coming in while other fractionals are expanding equals sailing along pretty well? Time to get back to work, mr. management.

 

[gutshotdraw]

More owners leaving the program versus coming in while other fractionals are expanding equals sailing along pretty well? Time to get back to work, mr. management.

Imac, one more time, G4 is a line pilot. Really. I've flown with him. Calling him a management stooge or any other number of creatively denigrating names only makes you look petty and afraid to engage on the ISSUE being discussed.

Really.

 

[imacdog]

In the past, management has used stooges under the pretenses of being an FM, customer service rep, or what not. Now they have the ability to pretend to be a former non-union NJI pilot to lend more "credibility" to their anti-pilot rantings. If G4 truly was a pilot here, then he'd be one of the dumbest pilots in the air. I give our G pilots a bit more credit than that. And if you haven't noticed, my conclusions of G come from actually debating the issues with him. Once I reached my conclusions, it was deemed unnecessary to spend my time discussing issues with him anymore.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Well, your conclusions about who he is are completely wrong so by your standards, I should assume EVERYTHING else you say is wrong, right?

Ask Diesel or Wolfpack or Dirty Dingus. We all know him. He's as far from a management type as you can get. He just has a fundamentally different philosophy of life and work than you do.

I don't agree with him on everything and you apparently don't agree with him on ANYTHING. Dismissing him, or anyone else, as stupid just because you disagree is, in my view, sad.