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I wasn't attacking you so don't get your panties in too much of a wad-I was just kidding about your screen name.
True-I did have to work quite a bit-(ie the Flex Schedule)-which does blow-but I am able to manipulate it some with military days.

I would definitily walk today if we were released from mediation.
I agree with what you wrote-just was pointing out that you can make more than 30k 1st year if you work at it.

I will be voting with my feet in the near future if things don't happen.

Fly Safe
Chuck
Ps Your right I do have a nice ass-its the lunges & squats that are doing it for me.
 
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Ciao! does this mean your gone for good? Am I this lucky? You could not be more incorrect. Any more incorrect and you would have graduated today with honors in ignorance and stupidity.
 
With some very basic quick math I came up with these numbers:

1754 active pilots
Using 4.6 pilots per plane (which has been the average they say they need across all fleets) X 316 aircraft = 1454 pilots needed.

By these numbers IF everyone was where they needed to be, we are really 300 pilots fat. The ultra is about 79 pilots fat alone.

91k is pushed back to feb 2005, so I could see where we don't hire for most of this year. All those FSI slots will be filled by folks already on the senority list and we would still have 80 folks for new equip and or people leaving.
 
Bluepost,

You know math and logic don't exist at our comapny. If we are so over staffed as these morons keep claiming why was a page sent out to the Hawker folks claiming there were many airplanes un-crewed... go figure.
I am sure there is a logical explanation which brings me back to my original point. There is no logic at NJA. I feel like I am going in circles.
 
Maybe the 800 is one of the fleets that is understaffed...doesn't mean the whole company is understaffed. I'm in the X and you can extend pretty easily from what I hear, but that isin't the case in all fleets. I hope we do hire, and I hope we do need more than the 4.6 that they have claimed for years, but I just don't see why they would pretend to not need to hire if they really did.

Most companies like to run lean and pay OT, but that may bite them if we ever get to legal job actions, unless they are planning to prevent that, which would only be good for us....maybe there is an end in sight.
 
wouldnt be having the discussion if ..

Wouldnt be having the discussion if the nj would only
get a ta on the table. Hmmm $$$ of dues every month
and NADA!!! @#@$@ or get off the pot!
 
Hawker fleet

My opinion of what will happen in the Hawker fleet:

As more Collins XP's get delivered, Honeywell drivers will transition to the Collins. As the total Honeywell drivers diminish, 1000 drivers will transition to the Honeywell. The future of the 1000???
 
I've dona alot of statics and demo's and all the sales guys say things have been better than the year before. Also, we were told several fleets including the excel and X have waiting lists.
 
"300 Pilots fat...

I guess the 90 X, 90 Ultra, 80 XL and 40 Falcon 2000... FSI INITIAL slots will be going to current NJA pilots who will be displaced from their current seats due to the coming Furlough then..."


The ultra fleet is fat by about 80 pilots right now (haven't done the math in the other fleets) IF those 4.6 pilots per aircraft numbers are correct, which I don't see why they wouldn't be (CS uses 4.3 per and 100% of their guys are on 7and7), and 91k is still over a year away.

By your own admission there is EXACTLY 300 initial slots, and we are supposedly 200-300 fat by my math and a couple hundred by managements claims.

So lets say we take deliveries of 6 new 2000's, we would need 27 pilots in to cover those. Lets say those 27 come from the X, well the X isin't fat on guys so those have to be replaced. Lets say 15 of those to cover the X slots come from the excel, well the excel isin't fat either I don't think, and those will need to be replaced. So just from 6 aircraft, that creates the need for 67 pilots trained in a new type (just my example of course, not counting any new Xs, excels, etc which I am sure we are getting).

With the rumors of BBJ FOs, shrinking of the 1000 fleet and possibly the VII, etc, I don't see how 300 initial slots have anything to do with the need for more pilots, the need to move pilots around, but not additional pilots.

Again, I hope we do hire next month, and I am not saying we won't hire a day after the contract is signed or next fall, but for the time being I don't see any information that tells me managment is lying about the hiring. I will say that the biggest wildcard in this is the new contract. Now I know all the half empty folks are saying 2010, but my guess is summer if they don't lock horns on $$$. If the contract comes this year how much 7and7? What is the alt schedule? How many quarterly seams if any? Any tightning up of sick day use? More vacation time? Those are the real variables. So I temper my projection with the statement that as long as the contract DOESN'T come this year, there won't be hiring till fall.

How much will 91k add? Who knows, but I wouldn't think more than 1 pilot per airplane but again, just a guess, but are we even going 91K or will it be 135? Anyone that thinks either of those is going to force an increase of 2.5 pilots per AC is an idiot in my opinion, it's only scheduled rest for crying outloud...we did it post 9/11. At 5 pilots per AC thats still 1575 needed for 315 AC which is the last number I have seen. We have 1750 active, that is still 175 extra.

Why the extending in some fleets like the hawker? Could be a ton of reasons, quarter seams, flu (who isin't sick these days?), training, burning off of unused hours by owners, who knows.

I just don't want to give guys who are waiting for a job here false hope. I have several friends that are waiting for the hiring to start again, but I don't want to be leading people to think something is closer then it is, and then they start passing up other jobs etc.
 
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