NJA Home Based for Training ONLY?!?

[atpcliff]

Hi!

This info is from "duckpilot" off of aptap.org, who's at NetJets:

As of last week, the union and mgt have agreed to allow all pilots to designate a 'Training Travel Airport.' This enables folks (like me) that don't live at their domicile the ability to fly from whichever is the closest major airpot to their residence. As the title implies, pilots will get funded travel to/from their residence, instead of to/from domicile for all company training events (recurrent, company recurrent, upgrade, etc).

Anyone know about this and/or homebasing for everyone?

cliff
YIP

 

[CA1900]

Anyone know about this and/or homebasing for everyone?

Pretty much exactly what your quote says. So for recurrent events, you can travel out of basically any of the airports that could be used for home-basing for the pre-new-contract guys. It certainly makes sense -- it's stupid for me to drive 3 hours from the major airport I'm near to pick up a flight that costs the company twice as much!

As far as home basing for all, I wouldn't expect that any earlier than the next contract (2010), if at all.

 

[NJA bound]

Anyone know about this and/or homebasing for everyone?

cliff
YIP

The management can open home basing to ALL PILOTS today if they chose to without consulting the union, it's in the current contract, the management just plain refuses to do it.

 

[gunfyter]

The management can open home basing to ALL PILOTS today if they chose to without consulting the union, it's in the current contract, the management just plain refuses to do it.

This is true.

Presently the Training takes up 3 of the 26 Tours you have each year. 2 tours are vacation so 3 tours are airlined from home and the remaining 21 tours start at your Domicile...

You commute 21 times per yr to your domicile.

 

[FLYLOW22]

This is true.

From the 2005 CBA in regards to HBAs...​

13.1(b) Home Base Airport Participation​

The Company may limit Crewmember participation in the Home Base Airport system to thirty (30) percent of the total number of Crewmembers on the most current seniority
list...​

Meaning that the company is not required to maintain the 30% number. They would make it 100%. They just don't want to.​

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In regards to Domiciles...​

13.2(c) Domestic Domicile Openings and Closings​

The Company may open new Domiciles at its discretion, however, a Crewmember ssigned to, or who has designated a Domicile, cannot be involuntarily assigned to a different or new Domicile, except as may be provided elsewhere in this Agreement. The company agrees to provide 90 days written notice of new Domicile openings to the
Union and all crewmembers.​

The company could open additional Domiciles, say 50 or so, provided it provides 90 days notice. I am sure the Union would not mind. I bet the Union would consider a one time relaxation of the 90 day notice restriction to add them.​

New attrition numbers came out recently at revealed that of those pilots leaving, 76% had less than 2 years with the company. Hmmm. 2007 minus 2 is 2005. 2005 is the year we started this Domicile thing. Domiciles were something that the company absolutely insisted on. I guess this is all part of "the plan".​

 

[Sparse]

Intereting. Maybe they don't want longivity.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Intereting. Maybe they don't want longivity.

Yes, one would think. The problem is that experienced pilots take a while to learn many of the Fractionalisms out there related to customer service. I'd say a couple of years is what it takes to not only learn the plane but learn how to really take care of the Owners and service the airplane properly.

This job isn't just about moving from A to B.

No longevity? Less customer service and just a continual recycle of training.

That is NOT what the Owner should be paying for. New employees are healthy and so is training but training excessively because of whack policy is just stupid and a waste of time and resources; time and resources we could be speding on growing.

What a CROSSROADS we are at...

 

[honeycomb]

76+% of the attrition is less than 2 years.

It sure doesn't sound like they, NJA mgnt, are hurting over the HBA issue.

The pilots shouldn't give those mgnt wennies a penny for HBA. But, in the end they, NJA mgnt, would like to push to get something for it. Seems to me that the pilots gave up something for the current system. Why would they give up something to fix a mgnt problem. That being the HBA's.

Oh yeah, ATP Cliff that new agreement is how it was done in the past. Travel to training from home. Nothing new, just bringing back the past to the present.

But, hey what do I know. (I don't need an answer btw.)


Peace.

 

[gunfyter]

Intereting. Maybe they don't want longivity.

I don't buy that theory.

They wanted the Domiciles to work and to recruit many who would stay there happily. But create a division because of HBA-envy and a bargaining Chip.

Attrition hurts their cause.

 

[dudemize]

How high is the attrition on a pure numbers basis? 100/yr? 200/yr?

It seems the seniority list really hasn't grown that much in the last couple years despite all the hiring.