NJA Home Based for Training ONLY?!?

[gunfyter]

Looks like about 10 per month.

Here is the problem...

You are forced to commute to LAX or TEB on SIC pay.

In the past one could upgrade to PIC very quickly. But coming in @ # 2700... you likely need 4000 pilots on the property before your turn to upgrade will come. 1300 more pilots ... Thats probably 4 yrs worth of new hires.

SIC pay is not like @ some of the airlines where it goes up significantly after the Probabtion year.

So now you estimate 4 or 5 yrs before upgrade. Its costing you $6K to $10K per year to commute to your Domicile. You have a brand new Falcon 2000, G200 or Sovereign type rating ... and you receive offers to fly for DOUBLE the money from companies in your local area where you don't have to commute. OR you get a call from Southwest or Delta.

I believe few people would take these offers if they could get on HBA status instead of commuting to LAX or TEB.

 

[skiandsurf]

How high is the attrition on a pure numbers basis? 100/yr? 200/yr?

It seems the seniority list really hasn't grown that much in the last couple years despite all the hiring.

Here is a small sampling of the attrition list.

49 have left this yr. (Jan-May)

only 1.....from a 2007 newhire class date.

12 from ____-2001.
12 from 2002-2005.
25 from 2006-2007.

As with any airline, the junior guys jump ship in search of that dream job.

I have heard that we are losing 50% of all newhires, and while it seems that the list is growing slower than we would like, this is obviously not true.

 

[NJA bound]

It seems the seniority list really hasn't grown that much in the last couple years despite all the hiring.

In the past year and a half the seniority list has grown from 2200 pilots to more than 2600.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Jan 2006 - 2254 pilots
May 2006 - 2444 pilots

Jan 2007 - 2608 pilots
May 2007 - 2656 pilots

 

[dudemize]

Thanks for the info, guys.

So if one came in at #2700, wouldn't there need to be around 4500 pilots on property before upgrade assuming the 60/40 ratio? That would mean 1800 more pilots at approx 300/yr. That would equate to 6 years for upgrade. This is assuming hiring remains constant and the attrition remains close to what it is now.

 

[Guitar Guy]

Jan 2006 - 2254 pilots
May 2006 - 2444 pilots

Jan 2007 - 2608 pilots
May 2007 - 2656 pilots

Those two time periods look that they might indicate two things. The earlier 2006 period looks like perhaps a lot of pilots were excited about the new CBA. Then the 2007 period looks like the reality of the dumb-a-ciles and the long upgrade times has set in.

 

[gunfyter]

Thanks for the info, guys.

So if one came in at #2700, wouldn't there need to be around 4500 pilots on property before upgrade assuming the 60/40 ratio? That would mean 1800 more pilots at approx 300/yr. That would equate to 6 years for upgrade. This is assuming hiring remains constant and the attrition remains close to what it is now.

YES but I would go with a 70/30 ratio... and 4 yrs as SIC.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Those two time periods look that they might indicate two things. The earlier 2006 period looks like perhaps a lot of pilots were excited about the new CBA. Then the 2007 period looks like the reality of the dumb-a-ciles and the long upgrade times has set in.

Bingo!

 

[Guitar Guy]

Bingo!

Here's hoping that the brain trust in Columbus and Woodbridge get the same message. They only need to make a simple decision that's already within their power to make in order to cut attrition and training costs and to attract the sort of experienced pilots that they want.

And before anyone asks, the company can open any domiciles or even give HBA to everyone on its own initiative. It's already in the current contract - no "union approval" needed.

 

[fischman]

If I got hired TODAY, I would plan on flying out of a domicile until at least 2010.

I would plan on being on SIC pay for at LEAST 5 years.

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