NJA furloughed pilots can work NJ China

[208starcheck]

Check your email. LOA signed by NJASAP and NJA for active and furloughed pilots to work in NJ China. Hopefully this helps someone looking for work.

 

[LAZYB]

Do ya forward your resume at Panda Express?

 

[johnsonrod]

Really? What aircraft types and would an expat package be included?

 

[BoeingBaller]

You can also keep your current plan if you want.

 

[gutshotdraw]

And the usual suspects are pi$$ing and moaning that the EBoard signed off on an LOA that provides seniority list protection for furloughed or active pilots that agree to go fly a kite in China.

And those same usual suspects would have CRUCIFIED the EBoard if they HADN'T signed off on the very same LOA for "not supporting the 495."

Basically, the usual suspects would pi$$ and moan if this EBoard found a cure for cancer and the byproduct was free gasoline....

 

[Pervis]

Gut, LOAs during Section 6 is foolish at best. Besides, this LOA fails to define working conditions, salaries, living costs, etc. Supposedly one of the requirements is extensive experience in the region. How many of our furloughed pilots do you think meet that?

This is something company evidently needed, and we could have used that leverage to work more reasonably toward a new CBA. Leverage is hard to come by when you're limited by the RLA. We just gave it away.

 

[imacdog]

Considering the number of furloughees working for the military, military contractors, and international operators, more than you would think.

 

[Pervis]

Quite possible indeed. However, we could have insisted on at least a partial recall for agreeing to anything. This is something the EMT needed, and we blew it.

 

[imacdog]

I'm just not seeing it as a big deal. You check out NJC, you apply, you get hired, and it's basically treated as a leave of absence. You come back at a later time if you want. Life goes on.

 

[JustPlaneTruth]

And the usual suspects are pi$$ing and moaning that the EBoard signed off on an LOA that provides seniority list protection for furloughed or active pilots that agree to go fly a kite in China.

And those same usual suspects would have CRUCIFIED the EBoard if they HADN'T signed off on the very same LOA for "not supporting the 495."

Basically, the usual suspects would pi$$ and moan if this EBoard found a cure for cancer and the byproduct was free gasoline....

It has been pretty funny to watch that group self-implode. They stopped working on behalf of the NJ pilots a long time ago and now are just hoping for some sort of "I told you so moment". BTW it was that same group of former leaders that signed off on the NJME LOA - constancy and integrity of thought is gone with them.

 

[Xcorporate]

It does seem like they are all on the same team.

Too bad the only group that seems to have noticed this are furloughed and not allowed to talk to the big boys.

 

[LAZYB]

Gutshotdraw the LOA is great, but who, what, why, how?

It has no meaning without a job in China. Are you suggesting that there are "implied odds", with no cards dealt or seen.

or is this some kind of reverse "tell"?

 

[billybob]

Great an LOA for China, that gets us what??? A big bag of D!cks?

hey Eboard get off you but and do something for the pilots other than a email twice a week. I will be made whole when you step it up to three emails a week, this will make up for the black hole i lived in for the past 3 years!!! Ill go back to making up rumors again

 

[Xcorporate]

We'll see who benefits from this LOA. Seriously doubt it will be any furloughed guys. It will be interesting to see who gets on over there...

 

[gutshotdraw]

I wasn't actually commenting on the merits of the LOA.

I was commenting on the fact that the same nattering nabobs of negativity would have ripped the EBoard EITHER WAY. The fact that the usual suspects were repudiated, AGAIN, this past Monday is totally lost on them. They DEMAND "unity" and "leverage" and then do EVERYTHING they can to stir up old divisions, petty jealousy, and bitterness within the group. Kind of reminds me of the race hustlers actually.

As to the LOA itself, I think, on balance, it was a win for the pilot group, especially the furloughed pilots. I get the "philosophical objections" to negotiating ANY LOA during Section 6. But the idea that we somehow lost some "leverage" here is, I think, a reach.

 

[jetlag7]

We'll see who benefits from this LOA. Seriously doubt it will be any furloughed guys. It will be interesting to see who gets on over there...

I agree. "The fix" is in. With the exception of a "hand picked" few, I am skeptical we'll see a single furloughee or active line pilot in that outfit.

 

[LAZYB]

They have already hired 2 furloughed pilots per the [FONT=&quot]Senior Director, Flight Operations-Asia [/FONT]

 

[Xcorporate]

So the next seniority list will show two furloughed guys as NJC?

How did they even apply? Why haven't we all been given the same chance to apply?

This feels more like the whole don't check the box thing…..

 

[LAZYB]

...How did they even apply? Why haven't we all been given the same chance to apply?..

Check for contact info in the Furlough forum on the union site.

 

[BentOver]

Would be swell if NO active guys applied for China, leaving more room for furloughed guys who want to go

 

[JustPlaneTruth]

I wasn't actually commenting on the merits of the LOA.

I was commenting on the fact that the same nattering nabobs of negativity would have ripped the EBoard EITHER WAY. The fact that the usual suspects were repudiated, AGAIN, this past Monday is totally lost on them. They DEMAND "unity" and "leverage" and then do EVERYTHING they can to stir up old divisions, petty jealousy, and bitterness within the group. Kind of reminds me of the race hustlers actually.

As to the LOA itself, I think, on balance, it was a win for the pilot group, especially the furloughed pilots. I get the "philosophical objections" to negotiating ANY LOA during Section 6. But the idea that we somehow lost some "leverage" here is, I think, a reach.

+1

Make no mistake, the Company is aware of the dysfunction that group is causing and will try to exploit it. They have no reasonable end game other than chaos. The former leader is pretty well known for trying to change things where he wants and when he can't he tries to destroy it. He and all of his cronies are now ousted with support probably about 273 pilots or about 10%.

The EBoard was smart on the LOA. NJASAP has zero leverage on that LOA and it matters not to the Company if NJA pilots fly in China - there will be plenty of super qualified non-NJA pilots that will apply. In the big bargaining picture it changes nothing since the LOA wont apply to 99.9% of current NJA pilots.

 

[Downwind]

Check your email.

What email?

Seriously. I get one email a year. And that is from NJA telling me it's time to renew my benefit selections. I guess they forget to "fix the glitch" back in 2010.

 

[johnsonrod]

Any details about the China operation? When will it start up? I have a buddy who is a Netjets furloughee who could be interested...

 

[jetlag7]

Would be swell if NO active guys applied for China, leaving more room for furloughed guys who want to go

Don't you think if a large number of active pilots left for China, that would in fact accelerate recalls?

 

[gutshotdraw]

Any details about the China operation? When will it start up? I have a buddy who is a Netjets furloughee who could be interested...

Handful of pilots this year.
50-100 next year.
Under age 59
500 hours PIC jet - verifiable
PIC check on a jet in which you are rated within the past 12 months -verifiable
Able to pass China air law exam and tough medical
3 year committment

Those are the high points.

 

[rumpletumbler]

The country responsible for every disease / virus on the face of the earth.

You would have to burn your clothes if you ever traveled anywhere that didn't smell like a billion pounds of rotting cabbage.

What an awesome opportunity!

 

[BentOver]

Don't you think if a large number of active pilots left for China, that would in fact accelerate recalls?

It sounds like it should, but my question would be why would NJA management voluntarily allow themselves to become short staffed on the NJA side? That will involve many additional training events, loss of Captains etc... NJA hasn't had an upgrade in probably 5+ years. I don't see that changing anytime soon for the sake If China.

There are plenty of non NJA pilots in the country who are looking for decent work. Surely if NJA management needed to fill seats they could any number of ways.

I'm skeptical that NJA is that close to a recall. Close but not that close... I'm going on the ever famous number of a/c dilemma... Back in '07 the staffing ratio was the same as it is now, and they were much busier back then.... I Really don't think the operation is in that dire of a situation just yet......still down 100 a/c