NJA B757 & 767 aircraft

[bluepost]

All BBJ pilots are NJA not NJI. NJI ONLY flys the GIV and GV.

Any aircraft over 100k will only be flown by NJA pilots. Not EJM, not NJI, only NJA. Scope.

The only split pilot group is at NJI with a couple union guys heading that way now.

I don't know any SWA captain (not that I know many) who's W2 shows less then 200k a year.

 

[RTRHD]

Yea, Scope clauses alway work. LOL

 

[xpdriver]

Yea, Scope clauses alway work. LOL

You can believe that if we are getting 75,76's that we will fly them,NJA, You might laugh at scole clauses but 1108 will have a hell of a lawsuit if they go to ejm or anybody else..Thats a fact Jack!!!!

 

[RTRHD]

You can believe that if we are getting 75,76's that we will fly them,NJA, You might laugh at scole clauses but 1108 will have a hell of a lawsuit if they go to ejm or anybody else..Thats a fact Jack!!!!

How can you controll what EJM does? If Ford Gets something besides Gulfstreams you think you can fly them too.

 

[xpdriver]

How can you controll what EJM does? If Ford Gets something besides Gulfstreams you think you can fly them too.

Well we don't own Ford. But if we did ,yes we would fly whatever was in our scope clause. Ejm is a charter and lease back operation. Our scope protects against losing jobs or possible jobs at NJA..

Don't be jealous, be happy for us.. All of that is just rumors anyway so I will not believe it until someone is in training with a 75 or 76 bid..

 

[RTRHD]

I am not jealous, I hope you do get them. I don't want to fly them personaly, a GV is enough to clean. I just don't like the union threats. I don't really understand how you can tell a seperate company what to do. I never heard a scope clause that worked.

 

[Spooky 2]

Well we don't own Ford. But if we did ,yes we would fly whatever was in our scope clause. Ejm is a charter and lease back operation. Our scope protects against losing jobs or possible jobs at NJA..

Don't be jealous, be happy for us.. All of that is just rumors anyway so I will not believe it until someone is in training with a 75 or 76 bid..

Well the guys initials are M.A. and he is your (NJA Large Aircraft LLC) Director of Standards and Safety. I seriously doubt that he is paying for this training at Delta out of his own pocket. Good luck as it sounds like things are moving over there, which is more than you can say for most operations these days.

 

[NJACMH]

Anybody want to bet NJA pilots won't fly them. NJA will only manage them.

Sorry Kids!!!

 

[Diesel]

NJACMH you sir are an idiot. You can't even tell how NJA, NJM, NJI works.

 

[xpdriver]

Anybody want to bet NJA pilots won't fly them. NJA will only manage them.

Sorry Kids!!!

(NJACMH)Oh your back, didn't you have enough during our contract. About your post,maybe but I don't think so. NJA will manage from the air,as in the cockpit. Unless this is rts,cuts are coming, lookout!!!

 

[xpdriver]

Well the guys initials are M.A. and he is your (NJA Large Aircraft LLC) Director of Standards and Safety. I seriously doubt that he is paying for this training at Delta out of his own pocket. Good luck as it sounds like things are moving over there, which is more than you can say for most operations these days.

Well I hope it is true but if will be awhile before someone with my number will see it,if at all...M.A. I will have to look him up.. until next time...

 

[NetjetsFalcon]

Diesels' absolutly right. I got screwed out of a BBJ captain bid in 2001 because of all our "highly skilled" contract pilots. I will not happen again. Ever. I've been waiting a loooooong time for this job to payoff, and If 75/76's show up, WE are DEFINATELY flying them. The contract is airtight in this respect.

NJACMH you sir are an idiot. You can't even tell how NJA, NJM, NJI works.

 

[NJACMH]

(NJACMH)Oh your back, didn't you have enough during our contract. About your post,maybe but I don't think so. NJA will manage from the air,as in the cockpit. Unless this is rts,cuts are coming, lookout!!!

LMAO!

 

[Diesel]

The only ones that are laughing are njacmh's coworkers upstairs at what a spectical he's making of himself.

 

[notaNJApilot]

Well the guys initials are M.A. and he is your (NJA Large Aircraft LLC) Director of Standards and Safety. I seriously doubt that he is paying for this training at Delta out of his own pocket. Good luck as it sounds like things are moving over there, which is more than you can say for most operations these days.

I hope you aren't trying to conceal his identity, because anyone with a seniority list can figure out who your source is.

 

[Spooky 2]

Was not. Just trying to be discreet about it since some one previously seemed to doubt the verasity of this report. Again good luck to all of you.

 

[filejw]

Ref EMJ.If they take over a corporate flt operation the pilots generally come with and fly the same a/c.B757 or C150.

 

[NetjetsFalcon]

I don't recall EJM ever taking over a 121 air carrier operation. I Netjets buys a B757 from a coporate flight department and uses it for charter, quarter shares, marquis or whatever, our scope clause prohibits anyone but NJA pilots from flying it. If EJM did happen to manage it, they could only use it for that individual private corporation.

Ref EMJ.If they take over a corporate flt operation the pilots generally come with and fly the same a/c.B757 or C150.

 

[NetjetsFalcon]

Here's the reference for your viewing pleasure...

1.5(d) EJM or Subsequently Acquired Aircraft Management Companies 1.5(d)(i) Flying of owned, leased or managed aircraft by EJM or subsequently acquired aircraft management companies, which are neither fractionally owned nor part of the Company’s core fleet, is not covered by Section 1.3(a) of this Agreement, provided, however, that flying performed for NJA or flying (other than charters or on a managed basis) for (a) the Company's fractional owners, (b) its Marquis Card Program owners, or other jet card leaseholders of Company aircraft, or (c) other comparable programs, is not subject to this exception and remains covered by Sec. 1.3(a). Neither EJM nor any subsequently acquired aircraft management company shall engage in scheduled operations subject to Parts 121 or 135, or fractional operations subject to Part 91k of the Federal Aviation Regulations. This provision is subject to Paragraphs 1.5(c) and 1.5(d)(iii). 1.5(d)(ii) EJM may not operate aircraft in excess of 100,000 lbs GTOW in which the Company has a financial interest; EJM will not operate other aircraft in excess of 100,000 lbs GTOW in situations where the union agrees with NJA to operate the aircraft under the terms of the business agreement with the customer, at rates of pay and rules equivalent to those established by the CBA or as established pursuant to Section 1.11

Ref EMJ.If they take over a corporate flt operation the pilots generally come with and fly the same a/c.B757 or C150.

 

[Correcting]

EJM may not operate aircraft in excess of 100,000 lbs GTOW in which the Company has a financial interest; EJM will not operate other aircraft in excess of 100,000 lbs GTOW in situations where the union agrees with NJA to operate the aircraft under the terms of the business agreement with the customer, at rates of pay and rules equivalent to those established by the CBA or as established pursuant to Section 1.11

That is why EJM won't be flying the planes, if they come. And yes, for those of you who don't keep track at home, EJM is owned by NJA. NJI won't fly them either. Why? Because that's also in clear, black and white, language in the scope clause. So that leaves only us lowly NJA pilots.

Now sure, there are you cynics out there from ALPA that have been raped up and down because of your sh!!ty scope clauses that will say "scope doesn't mean anything." Well, I guess that's for lawyers and judges to decide if it comes to that.