NJA and BBJ Long Term

[kman]

NJA and BBJ Long Term growth, orders, and options?

Guys just wondering as far as the bbj, How many airplanes? Deliveries this year? Trips? what are the bbj guys approx date of hires, Growth as far as the bbj? How is the staffing? Im hoping to make nja my last stop, and insight would be great.

K

 

[Spooky 1]

Guys just wondering as far as the bbj, How many airplanes? Deliveries this year? Trips? what are the bbj guys approx date of hires, Growth as far as the bbj? How is the staffing? Im hoping to make nja my last stop, and insight would be great.

K

Probably should not even be responding to this post but I doubt that any newhires would ever get to fly a BBJ, much less see the inside of one. On the the other hand if yoy hung around for a zillion years, anything is possible.

Good luck regardless!

 

[kman]

Thanks spooky , anybody else?

 

[Spooky 1]

I would have thought there would have been a dozen sarcastic posts by now. As I recall the initial pilots at NJA that were assigned to the BBJ were a handful of guys with experience in the Boeing, but not in their correct seniority bracket. Over time these pilots would be replaced by pilots based upon their seniority and their ability to hold the airplane, while those previously on the airplane would revert back to what their seniority could really hold.

I don't know that the BBJ has been a huge sucess at NJA and I believe they have sold off one or more of these aircraft. There has got to be someone here with the correct story.

 

[Diesel]

there are a couple of bbj pilots that cruise this board. I'm pretty sure one of them is on a trip.

 

[bizjet737]

down to three birds - one of those based in singapore indefinitely as of mid-jan (operating for a client). this leaves only two here at home.

rumors abound, but as usual no word from mgt. some of the rumors: miami air -800 but it had a tail-strike, lease a/c 191 that we just sold to a guy in russia, lease a couple of -7/800's with 50 seats for charters - but we don't have a 121 yet and there aren't any ng's avail - supposedly may/june time frame for 121. they've even put out 757 rumors as they're cheaper to buy now (no 737-ng's available) but cost a little more to operate.

as for a new-hire getting a slot - highly unlikely. we will probably lose a couple f/o's due to the new contract pay grades. however, there will first be an inside bid before it's offered to new-hires.

the guys you're referring to that had "experience in the Boeing" are gone - over a year now. wasn't such a great program as njla (or whatever it was called back then) didnt do any mental eval or sim ride and the interview was a joke. just the profile and sim would have knocked 75% of those guys out.

so basically it's stagnant right now. many of us don't see the program lasting the next year at this rate. actual bbj booked trips might be 10% of the total trips. we do mostly fill-ins for other fleets when a plane breaks, or like over the holidays when we're real busy filling in there, too. flew three occupied legs this past 7 days - 1 one was a bbj trip and the other two were free upgrades when a falcon and gulstream weren't available.

 

[miles otoole]

actual bbj booked trips might be 10% of the total trips. we do mostly fill-ins for other fleets when a plane breaks, or like over the holidays when we're real busy filling in there, too. flew three occupied legs this past 7 days - 1 one was a bbj trip and the other two were free upgrades when a falcon and gulstream weren't available.

And how is NJA making money "hand-over-fist" again? That's amazing.

 

[hydrarkt]

And how is NJA making money "hand-over-fist" again? That's amazing.

The BBJ is an oddity at NJA. That plan didn't really work. There may be a market for the BBJ but not sure about as a fractional.
How are we making money? Well, I just got an email from managment that stated that over two days, Dec. 26 and 27 we flew almost 1200 revenue legs. Seems like a money maker to me.

 

[AA717driver]

Well, I just got an email from managment that stated that over two days, Dec. 26 and 27 we flew almost 1200 revenue legs. Seems like a money maker to me.

1000 just into ASE and EGE alone... TC

 

[Capt. Haddock]

What about flying BBJs for others besides NJA? There are more than 80 BBJs out there and most of them are on US N- register or "US based" offshore registers accepting/requiring FAA pilots.

 

[Spooky 1]

What about flying BBJs for others besides NJA? There are more than 80 BBJs out there and most of them are on US N- register or "US based" offshore registers accepting/requiring FAA pilots.

My sense is that most of the really good BBJ jobs are taken by experienced corporate personnel as opposed to ex airline types. For what ever reason, BBJ jobs do not seem to command the $$ that are typically associated with GV and GEX positions. I'm sure there are exceptions, but the few job openings that I have been exposed to are not very desirable compared to the other high end iron that is flying around.

 

[ETDTBA]

The BBJ is an oddity at NJA. That plan didn't really work. There may be a market for the BBJ but not sure about as a fractional.
How are we making money? Well, I just got an email from managment that stated that over two days, Dec. 26 and 27 we flew almost 1200 revenue legs. Seems like a money maker to me.

Right, and sold off several hundred more.

 

[notaNJApilot]

I highly doubt any future new hire will ever make it to the BBJ. 2 BBJ FOs just bid out of the BBJ on the last round of PIC awards. I'd expect the other handful of FOs to do the same since FO pay in the BBJ is so much less than Captain pay in any other aircraft. The only reason they wouldn't bid out is if they are holding out for a BBJ PIC posting and don't want to be seat locked when that happens.
I'm curious to see what will happen to fill the 2 BBJ FO spots that just opened up. With the loss of one aircraft, they might not fill them.

 

[bizjet737]

even operating only three planes now (2 domestic, 1 jakarta) we're still short on pilots. just think - every pilot in the bbj gets 4 weeks vacation, plus recurrents. then, you have 3 pilots in indonesia who get a month off when they get back, and when they come home another set of 3 goes down there - so right there we're short 6 pilots.

and fly for someone on the side? you're crazy. i need my 7 off! the limited used to use a couple of our guys as fill-in but they only paid 1k/day - much easier to work extend days on our own fleet.