NJA 250 Hr Instrument Requirement

[V1 Rotate]

Apparently they really want you to have this requirement. I have more than enough time and well exceeded their requirements for pilots, except for this one. I have over 200, but not quite 250. I got the letter last week after they received my application package that I sent to them two weeks earlier. Why would they even bother sending me an application knowing they're not going to hire me based on that? I wasted half a Sautrday just filling out the flight time sheet alone! Just thought I'd let all you people know this ahead of time. Oh well.

 

[Cavpilot]

Back when I was hired (about 5 years ago) simulator time could be used to meet the 250 instrument minimum. You may want to give the pilot recruiting department a call and find out if that is still acceptable.

Good luck!

 

[Club ORD FO]

man I feel your pain. I wasted three days of my life filling out their application and they turned me down since I had less than 200 hours in the past 12 monnths (i had about 120).They would have easily known that had they bothered to read my cover letter. They turn a lot of good people down based on numbers.

I'm a flex now by the way...

 

[Sparse]

Apparently they really want you to have this requirement. I have more than enough time and well exceeded their requirements for pilots, except for this one. I have over 200, but not quite 250. I got the letter last week after they received my application package that I sent to them two weeks earlier. Why would they even bother sending me an application knowing they're not going to hire me based on that? I wasted half a Sautrday just filling out the flight time sheet alone! Just thought I'd let all you people know this ahead of time. Oh well.

I have always heard that Instrument time represented about 10% of your total time. It is a judgement call. You should log something every flight. If you are flying a jet, I gaurantee you that you are flying solely by Instuments for some portion of every flight regardless of the actual conditions. Fly what you can, log what you need.

 

[gunfyter]

You can't count that time with your eyes closed on landing...

 

[brokeflyer]

Why were you applying if you didnt meet the mins?

 

[x402]

• Airline Transport Pilot Certificate (Multi-Engine Land)
• Current FAA First Class Medical certificate
• 2500 hours total pilot time
• 500 hours fixed wing multi-engine time
• 250 hours instrument time

Right off the web site, sorry you wasted your time. They probably thought you were flying regularly enough to close the gap between the 250 and what you had on your resume.

 

[flyinlow67]

• Airline Transport Pilot Certificate (Multi-Engine Land)
• Current FAA First Class Medical certificate
• 2500 hours total pilot time
• 500 hours fixed wing multi-engine time
• 250 hours instrument time

Right off the web site, sorry you wasted your time. They probably thought you were flying regularly enough to close the gap between the 250 and what you had on your resume.

What are competitive times coming in at right now? Have any pilots been hired even close to these numbers?

 

[brokeflyer]

They have so many applications right now its disgusting....If you have a lot of corporate jet time in a 2 pilot crew you'll be in there......If you have the mins you'll probly get an application and a job.....but it's gonna take a while.

There are a lotta out of work airline guys that are willing to move to a domicile. As long as guys are moving to domiciles the company is not gonna remove that resrtiction. It's the same thing as pilots working for crappy wages, as long as ppl take the job the company you work at will pay crap. If you guys wanna get home basing------stop applying. When the company has a shortage they will remove the domicles

 

[gunfyter]

The higher the minimums the better for pilot pay.

Just like the high GPA and MCAT score requirements for Medical School keeps the supply of Doctors low so they can demand high compensation. The AMA is one good union.

 

[V1 Rotate]

Why were you applying if you didnt meet the mins?

I applied after asking many people if it mattered...including people on this board. I even had my stuff walked in by a CA there, but oh well. Try, try again I suppose.

 

[SAEflyer]

Yeah a few months ago i posted that it was hard and fast but people adimatley disagreed with me so i shut up. Sorry about your luck and hope things work out for you soon

TK855....guess you were wrong after all

 

[wolfpackpilot]

I’m not trying to sound like a cold-hearted insensible guy, but…

Minimums are minimums, and that’s it. NetJets is not an entry level job for pilots. In my opinion, the company wants to attract qualified and experienced pilots who will make a career here.

I had over a thousand hours in Barons and 421’s flying freight on the East Coast at night (the most demanding flying I’ve ever done). Southwest could have cared less, 1000 hours turbine PIC or don’t apply. I never applied.

 

[wanttofly]

Like someone else said, instrument time includes actual and simulated. So include the time that you were under a hood or in a simulator.

 

[Diesel]

I agree with Wolf. Either meet the mins or don't bother applying. NJ is not a job where you know a buddy and they can get you in under the mins. They have contracts with the owners that say pilots will meet or exceed the above requirements.

Right now there are just too many applicants that far exceed the time required for nj. They have the cream of the crop to choose from.

Build the time and then apply.

 

[DO-82 driver]

Diesil....I'd agree with what you said with one exception.....Build QUALITY time before applying.

As much as this may pain me to say....Wolf and I (and yourself) have similar flight experience as far as flying single pilot in the NorthEast.

I also flew over 5000 hours for a commuter without a flight director, autopilot and Loran and GPS and the furtherst south I went was ACY. Quebec in the winter is no fun....make PQI look like PBI.

2500 hours total time where most was spent flight instructing and then a bit in the right seat of an RJ isn't the same as 2500 single pilot in a King Air, Baron or 400 series Cessna.

I've spent the past 3 tours dealing with these ISSUES.

 

[Diesel]

Yes quality flying is important. Many pilots are suprised at how much we work, how many times things change, and how you really are alone thinking on your feet out there. That is what I love and why I keep working here.

Amazingly the guys who do the best at NJ are freight pilots, charter pilots, and a crappy regional company. They are all used to change, thinking on their feet, and knowing just how to think outside of the box.

At least in the X we have an apu. In the 400xp and Ultra/encore you are truely out there on your own. It's a great experience.

 

[414Flyer]

I would enjoy getting on with NJA later this year, I wanted to last year but didnt have that 250 IFR. I just had not logged as much of it as I probably could at times.

Now I am flying a PIC on a 2 crew turboprop, and I should have that 250 IFR quite soon

 

[V1 Rotate]

I have plenty of time and various experiences, just so you all know. What did it hurt for me to send them a resume and see what would happen? Why did they send me an application when they could read that I did not have the 250 hrs instrument time? I'll have the 250 real soon and will try again. Just so you wise guys know, I'm not some 4,500 hr guy that's been out bouncing around in seminoles and so forth.

 

[tk855]

Diesil....I'd agree with what you said with one exception.....Build QUALITY time before applying.

I've spent the past 3 tours dealing with these ISSUES.

You must be getting stuck flying with all the retired Delta guys!

 

[OldPilot]

This is really getting interesting.............

 

[DO-82 driver]

Hardly.....I find myself learning something new everytime I fly with one of our more "seasoned" pilots.... Wish we had more of them in the XL fleet.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

Build QUALITY time before applying.

You couldnt be more correct. You could have 600 hours of "hood time" in a 172; it wont help you a bit when it comes to doing 320kts to 136kts in Class B getting in line for the VOR circle in TEB, and you dont break out until your 100 feet from MDA.

My advice to a low time pilot looking for a career at NetJets:

• Get a right seat gig in a Lear
• Go fly Freight
• Go fly an RJ for 2 years
• Go into the military

Did I just have a civil conversation with DO-82?

Now back to your regularly scheduled bashing...

 

[Hawker dude]

You couldnt be more correct. You could have 600 hours of "hood time" in a 172; it wont help you a bit when it comes to doing 320kts to 136kts in Class B getting in line for the VOR circle in TEB, and you dont break out until your 100 feet from MDA.

My advice to a low time pilot looking for a career at NetJets:

• Get a right seat gig in a Lear
• Go fly Freight
• Go fly an RJ for 2 years
• Go into the military

Did I just have a civil conversation with DO-82?

Now back to your regularly scheduled bashing...

You have a hard time in TEB?

Why, because you're a *************************? I mean you fly a GV. I thought you guys knew everything.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

You have a hard time in TEB?

Why, because you're a *************************? I mean you fly a GV. I thought you guys knew everything.

Uh, where did this come from? I was simply trying to explain flying Netjets aircraft can be "instrument" demanding under certain circumstances.

But since you asked... Why yes I do fly a GV, but I started in a C152