NJ Training Question

[jtf]

Can anyone confirm that the company must give the pilot 3 days notice while the pilot is a newhire waiting for aircraft training (finnished with the type training and basic indoc, but waiting around for the real airplane flight before getting released to IOE)? I plan on being far away and will need more than 10 hours to get back to CMH when they decide they are ready for me to finish training. I can't find anything in the contract that says how much notice you get while in training, but I have heard from a couple of guys that it is 3 days. I would like some confirmation before I wander too far away. Also, does anyone have any idea how backed up the Excel is currently?

 

[Twotter76]

I am in exactly the position you describe currently and when I when spoke with the director of training he said that it had been their practice to give people 3 days notice, though I do not believe the contract requires it. I do believe they can not give you a show time that is within 10 hours so you are probably safe, one of the more experienced aviators here may be able to answer that part. Not sure about the Excel - im in the Ultra and have been waiting about a month so far and they havent even made it to my class yet. Call the training department and ask how long the wait has been running for your airplane, they were very helpful when I called them.

 

[Going2Baja]

I love it when I hear about paid at home vacations!! Being serious, I'm assuming you guys have done indoc and are waiting for systems. While you wait for this you can be at home correct?

BAja.

 

[Twotter76]

No we have done indoc and systems and our Flightsafety type ratings in our particular aircraft already. However once you finish that training you report to CMH for more company aircraft-specific training and its also where you fly the aircraft for the first time. After that then you do IOE and then you are released to the line. Its a lengthy process. Yes, the paid vacation is nice and you can be where ever you want but after a month i'm starting to get bored - I would just as soon go to work at this point. Wish I still had my jumpseat bennies.

 

[Going2Baja]

Twotter - are you just sitting in CMH or are you at home? Do they airline you home between training events? If you wouldn't mind would you please PM or post how your training went as far as when you went home and for how long?

Thanks, Baja.

 

[Diesel]

He's probably sitting at home.

2 weeks indoc
probably a week or 2 off for before FSI. Sometimes right into fsi.
week off home
airline to cmh for a couple of days where you'll wait for a plane and do some nj stuff
airline home when no plane becomes avail
home for a couple of days
airline back to cmh and probably get the flight training done
airline home and sit from a week to a month. A buddy of mine sat for 6 months before they caught up with him.
Start IOE (takes about 2-3 tours)
Probably miss another tour of work due to paperwork being filed
on the line

 

[Twotter76]

Diesel has it exactly right except in my case it was a two week break before FSI and i'm going on a month wait for company training. Who knows how long i'll have to wait for IOE...

 

[CA1900]

And if I understand it correctly, all this waiting is done under the Reserve schedule, therefore higher pay rate, correct?

 

[ozpilot]

Correct - while you are in training you are paid at the reserve rate.

 

[Diesel]

Don't expect the timeline to get faster. If anything the time from end of flight training to ioe is just going to take longer.

Enjoy the time at home.

 

[puddlejumper]

When you all say "Home" are you referring to your actual home, or your selected domicile? How is the indoc,training, IOE process for the commuters? I suppose I need to search for a better understanding of the new contract's domicile requirements.

 

[ozpilot]

When you all say "Home" are you referring to your actual home, or your selected domicile?

Thats the choice of the company. When you receive your brief on your last day off the company will not only give you a show time, but a show place. For example, if they are airlining you out it will the airline terminal, if you are flying an plane out, it will be the FBO where the plane is located.

But what happens if the company has no plans for you?

If your on the road they can show you at the hotel. If they do this, it is on the condition that you can be in uniform checking out of the hotel within 30 minutes of a call, and you can be at the airport 30 minutes after that.

If your at home, the company can show you at home. All you have to do is be contactable during the day and be ready to go. I don't know it theres any limitation to how far your home can be from your domicle.

So how does this apply when your in training?

While your in training your on the reserve schedule, so I imagine you will be required to call in each night unless the next day is a hard day off. When you do, you will be given a show time and place or told that it is not a duty day.

Perhaps there is someone else who has been through initial training under the new contract who can add to the discussion.

 

[Twotter76]

Actually what is ending up happening is that we sit on our collective butt at home (where I live) and I call into the CRC about once a week to see if they have me on the schedule for the next week or two to do any training. They say no and tell me to call back in a another week. At least thats how its gone so far.

 

[flyfish]

All I can say is enjoy your time off. :beer: Once training is over, you will likely work every duty day your available. I have not had a standby day outside of training for i'd bet 7+ years maybe longer.

 

[be-400xpdriver]

Can anyone confirm that the company must give the pilot 3 days notice while the pilot is a newhire waiting for aircraft training (finnished with the type training and basic indoc, but waiting around for the real airplane flight before getting released to IOE)? I plan on being far away and will need more than 10 hours to get back to CMH when they decide they are ready for me to finish training. I can't find anything in the contract that says how much notice you get while in training, but I have heard from a couple of guys that it is 3 days. I would like some confirmation before I wander too far away. Also, does anyone have any idea how backed up the Excel is currently?

Thats what they said to me too, but at the last second they put together a flight/class. I was given 12 hours notice for my airline to cmh, and this was because I just happend to check my pager the night before. The other two guys in the class did not check thier pagers and where called the next day asking for check in. They said what are you talking about. Netjets told them they had an airline in 2 hours. They explained they never got the brief and Netjets rebooked them on different flights. This was on the old contract so I dont know about the new hire/domiclie thing. My advise is to check pager every night and or call.

 

[Guitar Guy]

I agree with Flyfish's statements. It's part of the reason that calling our alternate schedule "reserve" is a real misnomer. The company will work you on the reserve schedule - you won't sit around at home or the airport like one might do at the airlines.

 

[Diesel]

Yo flyfish hows it goin?

Enjoy the vacation during training. Where else can you sit and home and get paid while you get lost in some computer?

 

[flyfish]

Yo flyfish hows it goin?

Wassup Diesel? Going great thanks. Enjoying the life in the 2000...How's all with you?

 

[Diesel]

Same old same old. Trying to avoid work at all costs.

 

[Casey130]

Flyfish,

Do you ever get a chance to partake in your namesakes (fly fish) on the road at NJA? I like to wet a line from time to time and as a new hire I'm full of questions, not the least of which is will I mostly be flying over streams wishing I was waist deep in them, or will I actually get a shot at fishing some of them?