NJ to JB...

[JetFumes]

Spent 8 years at corporate wings/flight options..

Knew that the business model would not be sustainable and when i say that i am referring to the entire frac industry.. Decided a seniority number was better to obtain then a hope that flops would make it long term

Loved the frac flying and adventure it provided.. Now i cant begin to imaging doing 7 day tours.. 4 days max for me now QOL is better and i have the ability to bid for family needs.

In year 6 FO on the bus will make 140-150k this year and average 16 days off and 50 % of weekends off if i dropped to min sked would make 90-100k have 18-19 days off and every weekend.

junior sked subtract 30-40k add 2-3 more days

Do you mind explaining to me how you do this. I am out in LGB, and without including perdiem or company matching, I'm not sure how you can make 150k with the productivity as it is.

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

Do you mind explaining to me how you do this. I am out in LGB, and without including perdiem or company matching, I'm not sure how you can make 150k with the productivity as it is.

You'd just have to average 114 hours a month. It’s certainly possible if you're aggressive picking up deadheads and other soft time. A number of local guys at JFK are able to do it on a consistent basis. Most of them don't feel the need to talk about it..........

 

[aewanabe]

In other words, live at the airport, be on Crew Services' "special" list, etc.... Come on, we all average 100 plus hours of credit, don't we?

Sour grapes aside, I have 2 friends that have made the NJ to JB transition. They both seem happy, and despite my focus on what needs to be better for ALL of us, there's lots good about working here.

 

[ttuite]

This industry is so F'ed up that you could have every type rating under the sun and still be broke and looking for work.

Amen to that......

 

[Caveman]

You'd just have to average 114 hours a month. It’s certainly possible if you're aggressive picking up deadheads and other soft time. A number of local guys at JFK are able to do it on a consistent basis. Most of them don't feel the need to talk about it..........

If you live in base, are senior enough to hold the DH trips, pick-up RSA's, and are FLICA whore you can easily average 114 hours a month, but you can't do that and still have half the weekends and 16 days off a month as he claims.

A more realistic expectation for a reasonably senior A320 FO is $105-115K and 14 days off per month. Not bad, but no where near what CCB claims he's getting. I am a reasonably senior FO and I'm on the low side of the $105-115K window but I bid commutability over productivity. If I lived in base I think I would be closer to $115K than $105K.

Is $150K doable as a senior FO? Absolutely. $150K and 16 days off per month? I won't say impossible because CCB claims he's doing it, but I sure don't see how.

 

[Lake Alice]

As a senior JFK F/O I did 4 day turns in a row worth 29:10. 3 of those and I was done for the month. 12 days of work. I hate working so I didn't pick anything else up but I could have. I you wanted to work and extra 2 or 3 days and were able to pick up a deadhead or international turn and that amount seems plausible. Work to live, not the other way around.

 

[oldxfr8dog]

If u r a captain at NJA, stay. If an FO, go to JB. The Oracle has spoken.

This 8.5 year JB Capt agrees.

140K f/o working 16 days and off half the weekends?
NFW.

With our new work rules, for days off, just divide your monthly hours by 5. That's all you'll get per day.
Ooops, I meant per "duty period".
24+ layovers are freebies! (For the company, that is, not the pilots,)

 

[oldxfr8dog]

As a senior JFK F/O I did 4 day turns in a row worth 29:10. 3 of those and I was done for the month. 12 days of work. I hate working so I didn't pick anything else up but I could have. I you wanted to work and extra 2 or 3 days and were able to pick up a deadhead or international turn and that amount seems plausible. Work to live, not the other way around.

I guess you live close to jfk?
Otherwise your "12 days of work" is more like 18 days away unless you live in that cesspool.
If you do live there, please let these guys know about the gridlock and tolls.
Just be honest, just because we screwed up coming here, don't lead these other poor guys on.
Unless you're one of the "Better than Mesa guys...", I guess.

 

[clickclickboom]

In all fairness let me adjust the potential yr 6 pay from 140-150k to 130-140k..

There are many that live in or near base pick up the rsa's and work the flica and make 150k heck we have a few fo's here that made almost 200k this year.. granted they have no life

Just to give you a breakdown of last week.

I did 4 day turns. My bid award was 29:56 yes you heard me

kin the first, followed by an sti, pop, and then a provo turn. The first and second day we went over by about 20 mins each day putting me at 31 hours went illegal for last day and was released. 3 days gone 31 hrs pay

A year 5 FO here that credits 90-95 hrs per month, picks up not one rsa, maybe has one or two 100 hr months, takes 1 vacation and uses pto for quality of life and not a sellback bonus will easily make 125-130k

I 2 leg commute, bid commutability, bid for 50% of weekends off and only flew 4 redeyes last year,

I usually do 4 on 3 off so that I end up with a nice 7 day off block

 

[Lake Alice]

I guess you live close to jfk?
Otherwise your "12 days of work" is more like 18 days away unless you live in that cesspool.
If you do live there, please let these guys know about the gridlock and tolls.
Just be honest, just because we screwed up coming here, don't lead these other poor guys on.
Unless you're one of the "Better than Mesa guys...", I guess.

I commuted. Occasionally I had to come in the night before but not that often. Worst case scenario 15 days of work. I was never at Mesa.
As for your "screwed up coming here comment" go back to where you came from. No one is leading anyone on on this board or anywhere else. As an OC member I will tell anyone this job is not that bad. We have a good working environment where no one is out to get you. Come to work, do your job, go home. This very statement is exactly why organizing JFK pilots is tough. But we do have a lot of work to do with respect to benefits and retirement. Those are facts without all the emotion people seem to throw in.

 

[Splert]

Some FOs do make $150 plus.

But, don't count on it. A new hire is no where near the seniority to be able to pull that off UNLESS they live in JFK.

Even if you can you will not be able to keep it up for 10 years.

The company is on a war against soft time.

 

[Lake Alice]

Some FOs do make $150 plus.

But, don't count on it. A new hire is no where near the seniority to be able to pull that off UNLESS they live in JFK.

Even if you can you will not be able to keep it up for 10 years.

The company is on a war against soft time.

Very true.

Be senior, whore, or both.

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

I guess you live close to jfk?
Otherwise your "12 days of work" is more like 18 days away unless you live in that cesspool.
If you do live there, please let these guys know about the gridlock and tolls.
Just be honest, just because we screwed up coming here, don't lead these other poor guys on.
Unless you're one of the "Better than Mesa guys...", I guess.

move ........

 

[9rj9]

deleted, move along

 

[DC8CRIVER]

i would go back to school and become an orthodontist!!! More time off and way more money, and have you seen the chicks that work at these offices? Way hotter than most fas!!!!!!!!!!!

+1 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!