NJ question

[NJApilot]

Anyone have the proposed hourly wages for newhires and the 1st 5 years?

Baja.

NJA pay is based on yearly salary, not hourly wages. See the previous posts in this thread for the proposed wage scales.

 

[Guitar Guy]

Guitar Guy,

Dude, I totally agree with you that upgrades for those hired now are going to run a lot longer. To say that they are currently running at 5.5 years, though, is inaccurate.

No harm meant,
IP

I thought we probably agreed on the new-hires facing a longer wait. The number I put in my response was meant for the guys who are considering working for NetJets to give them something to use for planning. Trust me, I hope that new-hires upgrade sooner than 5.5 years.

As for what upgrades are currently running, that's a moving target. Last fall, people were pointing out that the Excel was running 2.5 years to hold as a PIC. Currently, I've got over 3 years with NetJets and I can't hold XL at this time. So would it be correct to say that, right now, the XL is "running 2.5 years" because the last guy to get the XL had that amount of time with the company when he got the bid award? That's what I mean about upgrade being a moving target.

Like I said earlier, I hope upgrade arrives quickly for everyone. If you haven't upgraded yet, here's hoping you don't have wait too much longer.
:beer:

 

[CA1900]

Last fall, people were pointing out that the Excel was running 2.5 years to hold as a PIC. Currently, I've got over 3 years with NetJets and I can't hold XL at this time.

Should the TA pass, the extra $3600/year to fly the XL and XLS will go away. It'll be interesting to see what that does to the seniority on that airplane...

 

[Guitar Guy]

Should the TA pass, the extra $3600/year to fly the XL and XLS will go away. It'll be interesting to see what that does to the seniority on that airplane...

I think that will likely happen to some degree. But I think an even bigger driver among most fleets will probably be QOL things like having good relative seniority for bidding schedules, vacations and PTO days.

So if there's a lot of fleet changing among PIC's and it gets combined with the shortage of sim slots at the training centers, it might unfortunately cause a slowdown for people looking for their first upgrades. But the upside might be that some fleets go a little more junior. Maybe the X will end up a plane for younger guys, for example.

 

[imacdog]

Should the TA pass, the extra $3600/year to fly the XL and XLS will go away. It'll be interesting to see what that does to the seniority on that airplane...

It will be interesting for sure, though even if you don't include the extra pay, it's not a bad plane to fly. It has a nice combination of short legs and decent room inside the cabin. It makes up for those qualities with the movable stabilizer. Personally I'm very interested in the XLS+ coming out - the Collins and new cockpit layout should make it a prett sweet ride.

 

[jtf]

One more thing that may make upgrade times run longer is the amount of pilots who choose to take the new 18 day schedule if IBB passes. If it goes to a full 40 percent, then we will possibly (depending on the schedulers ability) have more productivity from the pilots and require a slightly slower hiring process. This is one reason the company wanted the IBB in the first place- to try for more productivity. I have some doubts as to how productive and efficient scheduling can ever be, but they may actually do a little better than they are now and that really will slow things a bit. At least FO wages should end up adequate for the wait.

 

[Guitar Guy]

I think you've got salient points there, jtf. I think it will take good (or great) line-building from scheduling to keep people on the 18-day schedule voluntarily. A fully computerized bid system isn't required for 2 years, if I recall correctly, so it's going to be a rather arduous manual process even with union oversight. If people bid to get certain days off or certain line styles (long tours or short tours) and don't get them, the company will have a hard time attracting people to the 18-day schedule.

By the way, the company is only offering about a 3% pay incentive for the 18-day schedule once you account for the extra days worked on the 18-day vs. the 7/7.

 

[lookin4better]

Does anyone know if NJ contacts current employer before they interview you?

 

[jtf]

I don't think they contacted mine until I was hired, but I didn't really care if they did- everyone was (as still is) trying to escape the crappy airline I was at and they expected people to look elsewhere.