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[Gulfstream 200]

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Okay, how about we leave all these company trolls to themselves. Just stop posting here. Untill this contract is done, this is the only type of post you will see from me. Give them nothing.

Stop posting, you are not helping.

Paranoia sets in...

the cockpits are bugged....the Rudys catering is poisioned....

Secret Society move undeground. Dont look at anyone, use secret handshakes and invisible ink.

 

[h25b]

Paranoia sets in...

the cockpits are bugged....the Rudys catering is poisioned....

Secret Society move undeground. Dont look at anyone, use secret handshakes and invisible ink.

I can only imagine what they use for the "secret handshake" ...

 

[netjetwife]

I beg to differ with you, 2000. There are pilots in leadership/volunteer positions who sacrifice much of their OWN personal time for the greater good. There are pilots who were personally satisfied with their OWN income, but voted against the failed (by 82%) TA. My husband and I frequently mention the fact that his efforts are in support of 2000 + pilots/families, NOT just our own. I know that he is not alone in that belief; it is shared by many who are giving up countless hours. The success of the bypass pay bid efforts (116 the first time, and even higher the second time) were ONLY possible because of pilots that were willing to consider the needs of others, instead of thinking of "number one."

I think the problem is one of degree. No one is saying that the "rising tide" idea is THE primary motivator. Rather, it is mentioned as another on a long list of good reasons to fight for what is right. As always, it is about more than money, but I think that you got the right idea from the phrase--professional treatment.

 

[2000flyer]

I beg to differ with you, 2000. My husband and I frequently mention the fact that his efforts are in support of 2000 + pilots/families, NOT just our own.

NetJetWife,

Thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you! You finally said it and I agree with you 100% You are doing it for all the pilots at NJ, of which your husband is one. Not for pilot's everywhere.

... No one is saying that the "rising tide" idea is THE primary motivator. Rather, it is mentioned as another on a long list of good reasons to fight for what is right. As always, it is about more than money, but I think that you got the right idea from the phrase--professional treatment.

I beg to differ. According to your esteemed collegue...

...Most of the NJA pilots are trying to fill the glass for everyone in aviation - not just themselves...

...it is shared by many who are giving up countless hours.

True, but again my point is they are giving up "countless hours" for the betterment of NJA PILOTS, not every pilot in all other walks of life.

Regards,
2000Flyer

 

[netjetwife]

Sorry to burst you bubble, 2000, but you are misconstruing what I'm trying to say. I said that it was all a matter of degree. Naturally, a pilot's first responsibility/concern is his/her family, next would come their fellow pilots in the union, and then in the industry. I think this is a logical order that would fit most of the NJ pilots. Those (definitely a minority) who are not financially pressured may well place a higher priority on raising the bar for other pilots. I know for a fact that there are pilots at NJ that fit that profile.

With over 2000 pilots, you are bound to see all of these viewpoints in varying degrees. I wouldn't assign, to the majority, the attitudes of the relative few which you have spoken to on the road. Nor would I assume that the pilots talking to you don't have other opinions that weren't shared at that time.

 

[FAcFriend]

Naturally, a pilot's first responsibility/concern is his/her family, next would come their fellow pilots in the union, and then in the industry. QUOTE]


Used to be God, Country and Corps. - now it is Family, Union, Industry.

 

[2000flyer]

Naturally, a pilot's first responsibility/concern is his/her family, next would come their fellow pilots in the union, and then in the industry. I think this is a logical order that would fit most of the NJ pilots.

Trust me when I say no bubble was burst here. This is an argument that will go 'round and 'round. If you want to stand by the feel good statement their doing it for all pilot's everywhere, well...more power to you. If that were truly the case the billboard outside Teterboro say "NOTICE TO ALL PILOTS USING THIS AIRPORT, WE WANT A BIG RAISE FOR YOU!!" Now all the owners/operators, not just NJ, would see it and rush to give us all a big raise.

Don't expect most of us to buy into it.


2000Flyer

 

[dime line]

Yo Gern Blanston, come over to Flight Options and you will understand why some companys need unions.

 

[gern_blanston]

I hear that from time to time, and I really do try to keep an open mind, but it's difficult. My union experience and that of my 1st wife (separate unions, and no, in case anyone cares, neither of us crossed picket lines) leaves me a bit skeptical.
I may not be quite as skeptical as I once was, however.
I was chief pilot at a 135 operation for a while a couple of years back, and the hiring environment allowed me to hire some really really excellent pilots. Most of 'em were furloughed airline guys from Northwest and USAir. Those 10 guys really changed my mind about 'airline union weenies', I guess I do understand that unions have (or had, at some point anyway) a purpose, but still, the only way I ever accomplished anything in the employment-improvement arena was to quit and go elsewhere.
Flight Options having some friction too, eh?

 

[dime line]

I've never been associated with unions, but for the life of me, I have lost enough liquid money that would have paid the yearly dues, so its hard for me to fathom somebodys 'moral values" and being anit-union.

But if you job is going good like yours, you will never understand, nor want to understand being that your anti-union "teamsters".

And yes I'm sure the Teamsters are a bunch of thugs, but really what is the difference between them and most management?

 

[gern_blanston]

Not sure what you mean by the 'moral values' comment or the reference to 'my anti-union "teamsters"', but I do know that of the jobs I've had, both union ones sucked mightily, and a lot of that was due to the fact that there was a huge management/labor rift, mostly caused, as far as I could tell, by labor being dissatisfied with a job that they could have quit and left to someone who wanted it. Of the non-union jobs that I've had, I've quit a couple that I couldn't stand, and quit a couple to move onwards and upwards.

 

[dime line]

"as far as I could tell, by labor being dissatisfied with a job that they could have quit and left to someone who wanted it"

Well now you sound like most of the anti union lackies here at options, the mear fact that my Management here at Options took away 700.00 per year of liquid cash, warrents the union here at options.

But your comment that I stated above, totally states what kind of person you are, whatever management does is ok, because if you don't like it,as an employee, just quit.

Yea that makes sense!!!

 

[gern_blanston]

You've no clue, of course, as to what kind of person I am, or where my personal moral compass points, so that comment can be disregarded. I'm merely practical and conservative. Management can't do stuff that's illegal, and if they're smart, they treat their employees with respect, but how on Earth do people get the impression that the company owes the employees anything but pay and hours that the law requires.
Shall we raise the minimum wage to $20.00/hr, too?
I imagine that we should agree to disagree, eh?

 

[dime line]

you and I are in two different worlds. If I have no clue, than I'm pretty happy haveing no clue. You sound pro-management (CP,no problem here) but this industry, and the corporate world do operate legally, for the most part, which allows for pilots to make mimium wage and upper management to make well over 7 figures. So... what were (labor) supose to just like it, or just quit, that is what your saying. So yes I have no clue

 

[gern_blanston]

DL, yer not reading what I wrote. Jeez. I said that you have no clue as to what kind of person I am, not that you have no clue about labor/management relations, flying, or life in general. I say again, 'Jeez!'
And as for management -vs- labor, We're all free to become management if we want. I choose not to, because I'm perfectly happy being an employee - labor, if you will. I'm perfectly happy doing my job, making the money I make. I pushed until I got here, and it's exactly where I want to be.
That's how the system works: You push yourself to where you want to be. People just choose different methods of pushing, and the methods have various levels of effectiveness.
And to repeat: Good luck with your travails. Push hard for yourself, but push in the right direction.