NJ April 16th Indoc

[hmckane]

Any idea how long indoc is..I beleive it starts on Monday the 16th goes through Sat. and finished on Wednesday the 25th. Anyone know? Also.. my brothers wedding is on the 15th will nj fly me out of there (on the 15th) instead of my home for training.

 

[Willy21]

Week one: Monday - Friday
Week Two: Sunday - Thursday morning

I don't know about the travel arangements, but it doesn't hurt to ask. Welcome to NetJets.

 

[be-400xpdriver]

They will not buy you a ticket from any where but your domicile. You are going to have to buy your own ticket to CMH.

 

[hmckane]

I asked if I could drive to CMH for indoc. I live 2 1/2 hours away. I was told that its mandatory that I fly to training/indoc. So since they are flying me from my hometown to indoc in cmh, my base ..I was wondering will they fly me from orf to cmh.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Any idea how long indoc is..I beleive it starts on Monday the 16th goes through Sat. and finished on Wednesday the 25th. Anyone know? Also.. my brothers wedding is on the 15th will nj fly me out of there (on the 15th) instead of my home for training.

Are you familiar with the Domicle/HBA issue... before you walk in the door?

 

[be-400xpdriver]

I asked if I could drive to CMH for indoc. I live 2 1/2 hours away. I was told that its mandatory that I fly to training/indoc. So since they are flying me from my hometown to indoc in cmh, my base ..I was wondering will they fly me from orf to cmh.

This is outside the contract. From day 1 you should report to CMH since it is your domicile. In fact by not allowing you to drive might be against the contract. There is nothing saying that you have to fly out of your home town for indoc. According to the contract they should just have you report to CMH. I would think this also could be grieved by people senior to you since it a use of the HBA system by an inelidgeble pilot.

Any way just make sure they will airline you home on the company dime after indoc. In that case enjoy the free flight from home and back. You will get to drive to and from CMH enough in the future.

If you realy want to drive call the union and have them look into it. 13.2(b)(i). Or if you feel gutsy give training a call and quote them the contract and ask them where it says that you cant drive to your domicile for indoc. Ask them if they are setting a precident that you will airline to all training events in CMH in the future?

http://www.ibt1108.org/01 PILOTCBA November 21, 2005.pdf

 

[HAZ-MAT]

There were 3 people in my Indoc that chose CMH as their Domicile and they all drove. There was no problem with them getting the okay to drive. One lived 1 hour south of CMH, one in Rochester and the other guy was living in Atlanta. All had no problem, also they were reimbursed for their drive the amount it would have cost to airline them from where they lived to CMH. Call a p2p or newhire rep to further look into your question. www.ibt1108.org

 

[fischman]

I would say that if you REALLY want your own car there, they will never know if you drove or airline to CMH. Unless you wanted to expense the drive. Personally, I don't know why you would want to drive yourself if they are willing to fly you. You know that you will have access to a rental car for training right?

 

[hmckane]

The question is not if I mind driving or flying...I want to know will they fly me to indoc from a different city than I reside (live) in. If they would than I can attend my brothers wedding which is on the 15th april ...indoc starts the 16th. I live in WV, 2 1/2 hours away from cmh...the wedding is in Va Beach, Va. If they are going to fly me, than I rather fly out of Virginia Beach Va than WV, so I could attend the wedding. If I'm required to provide my transportation to cmh for indoc since thats my assigned base..then I need to know so I can buy an airline ticket...bro will not be happpy if I dont show.

 

[CA1900]

fischman, I think I'd edit that out while you can, and send it to him in a PM. Posting internal company e-mail addresses is probably not the greatest idea in the world...

 

[notaNJApilot]

PTT doesn't arrange travel for new hires anyway.
but, there is absolutely no way you will be airlined to training from anywhere other than your domicile. that is a huge precedent that no one is willing to set.
*edit*maybe not "absolutely no way"

13.9 Start of Tour
Pursuant to Section 13.1(f) and 13.2(a), the Company is not obligated to allow
crewmembers to use airports other than those listed in this Section to begin any duty
tour, including training tours.

 

[CA1900]

notaNJApilot, travel from home (not domicile) is exactly what they did for my indoc class a few months ago. We were told (and got a letter to the effect) that for our very first training event (indoc for most of us), we would get a ticket from home. After that, all travel would be from the domicile.

Here's one way to look at it: Technically they can do that, because we aren't employees on the travel day -- employment doesn't start until the first day of the training event, and thus we aren't bound by the contract until then. At least that's how I read it.

 

[imacdog]

Speaking of training, here's a question for those recently finishing training and going onto IOE. During your wait period before your IOE/Reserve schedule, did the company give you a couple days notice before putting you on the schedule, or is it a situation where they call you out of the blue saying you are starting your IOE schedule the next day?

 

[CA1900]

Can't speak for anyone else, but I just got surprised by it one day. Expecting the usual hang-out-at-home briefing, I got briefed for an airline flight to join up with the IOE captain. (This was on the 7/7 schedule, not the reserve you asked about, but I'd imagine it'll be a surprise either way.)

Nice surprise, really -- much as I enjoyed the paid vacation, the cabin fever was starting to set in. It was good to go fly.

Now I'm ready for another vacation.

 

[notaNJApilot]

notaNJApilot, travel from home (not domicile) is exactly what they did for my indoc class a few months ago. We were told (and got a letter to the effect) that for our very first training event (indoc for most of us), we would get a ticket from home. After that, all travel would be from the domicile.

Here's one way to look at it: Technically they can do that, because we aren't employees on the travel day -- employment doesn't start until the first day of the training event, and thus we aren't bound by the contract until then. At least that's how I read it.

interesting. i guess it's true - you aren't under the CBA until you are employees. so hmm...just thinking out loud...if you get fired while on the road, does the company book your travel home?

 

[CA1900]

interesting. i guess it's true - you aren't under the CBA until you are employees. so hmm...just thinking out loud...if you get fired while on the road, does the company book your travel home?

Oh, man, how much would that stink! Getting your own taxi from BFE to BFI Int'l Airport, to buy your own ticket home. Ouch. But I almost guarantee you'd find a more economical way to get there than they would!

Of course, my previous employer (a commuter airline) did pretty much the same thing to me: When I called in sick in the middle of a trip, they said, "OK, we'll have somebody else finish the trip." When I inquired about how I was going to get home, the scheduler said, "you're on your own" and hung up on me. Nice, huh?

 

[captain dad]

Not always the case but most IOE will start on the start days of your fleet and last all week to optimize the IOE instructors time and get you done ASAP. So, when possible your IOE will start on one of the fleet start days for the 7/7 schedule.

 

[theskyking]

I was in class last October and there were many in my class that were airlined to and from indoc from their home airport not their domicile.

 

[HAZ-MAT]

I was in class last October and there were many in my class that were airlined to and from indoc from their home airport not their domicile.

That boils my blood since I was told I couldn't do that... Ended up driving from CT to PBI to catch my flight to CMH. I haven't heard of anyone winning a grievance from the Co because of this. I didn't press the issue because I wasn't even in class yet, I just asked if it was possible, LL said no, I said okay. End of conversation. I did meet the guys that drove from home to CMH, but it would be a longer drive from CMH to PBI as opposed to CT to PBI. Plus I got to visit "South of the Border!!" :nuts:

 

[flyipilot]

When I went to Indoc back in Sept/06, I drove to it and I live in Tucson,AZ. THey gave me no hassles but said they would not repay any gas or fees. They will buy you tickets to from your home to Indoc and back to home at the end. Then from that point on, you have to go thru your domicile. I knew we would hvae at least 2-3 weeks off after Indoc due to backups at the time and I told them this is why I chose to drive. No problem from them at all. Hope this helps.