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[imacdog]

Have a seat in a Citation cockpit, try to imagine sitting in it for five hours. Then decide.

 

[johnsonrod]

XL for me,start class tomorrow ! Cheers !

Looks like a nice cockpit (see below). Enjoy!

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6170458&nseq=0

 

[CALRepublic]

so what would you do....go with the x or the xl?

If they gave me a choice now, I would take the G-200, Sovereign or Hawker 800 collins.

 

[206amphib]

Have a seat in a Citation cockpit, try to imagine sitting in it for five hours. Then decide.

by that you mean any citation in general for five hours in a whole day or in a given flight? There are two hawker families in terms of avionics im guessing...collins and.....

 

[imacdog]

Five hours at a time.

 

[206amphib]

so clearly the bigger planes have more to offer in terms of long term comfort...makes sense....i guess what I was really getting at was overall preference to a specific type. I've flown a few of the smaller citations, so even the xl cockpit would probably seem big to me....maybe I should ask this way; clearly different people like different types of flying ie long legs, a mix of long and short, whatever the case may be. Generally speaking, which planes do what type of flying? Clearly it can vary, i'm just generalizing....trying to get an idea of what to look to if given the opportunity.....

 

[johnsonrod]

so clearly the bigger planes have more to offer in terms of long term comfort...makes sense....i guess what I was really getting at was overall preference to a specific type. I've flown a few of the smaller citations, so even the xl cockpit would probably seem big to me....maybe I should ask this way; clearly different people like different types of flying ie long legs, a mix of long and short, whatever the case may be. Generally speaking, which planes do what type of flying? Clearly it can vary, i'm just generalizing....trying to get an idea of what to look to if given the opportunity.....

From what I've heard from my Netjets buddies, all of the aircraft types do some short-haul flights (even reposition flights from one NYC airport to another). The smaller aircraft don't have the range to fly nonstop transcon flights but they will often see both coasts during one tour (with stops in between). The Falcon 2000, Citation X, Sovereign, G200 and Hawker 800XP can do nonstop transcon flights and some do them more than others - the Citation X and Falcon 2000 fly the most transcons from what I hear. If you are a Citation X pilot, you will get to know the TEB/HPN-VNY route very well. The Citation X fleet is very busy because of its popularity with owners and because of its capabilities (when it is not in maintenance). Both the Sovereign and G200 fleets are popular and getting busier and they do transcons on most tours - the G200 has a wider cockpit than the Sovereign (probably more comfy during those longer flights).

The XL/XLS is the biggest fleet in terms of numbers and it is probably the busiest fleet - you will fly all the time. If you want short hops and not much flying compared to other fleets, the Citation Ultra/Encore and Beechjet will suit you well. I know a pilot on the Citation Encore fleet and he seems to spend a lot of time on the ground not flying (and he enjoys the time off).

 

[tankerswede]

by that you mean any citation in general for five hours in a whole day or in a given flight? There are two hawker families in terms of avionics im guessing...collins and.....

The two Hawker 800XP fleets at NJA are either the Honeywell FMZ avionics or the Proline 21. They are also starting to take delivery of 900XPs which are also Proline 21 and will be flown by the XPC (XP Collins) crews. NJA treats them as separate fleets so the Collins pilots do not fly Honeywell Hawkers and vice versa.

Same airframe, only difference is the avionics package. I could be mistaken, but I understand that they are doing the same thing with the Encore and Encore+ and with the XL and XLS+.

 

[Guitar Guy]

Same airframe, only difference is the avionics package. I could be mistaken, but I understand that they are doing the same thing with the Encore and Encore+ and with the XL and XLS+.

That is correct. I used to be in the Encore but now fly only the EP.

 

[johnsonrod]

That is correct. I used to be in the Encore but now fly only the EP.

Is the Pro Line 21 a big improvement in your mind? Anything else different with the Encore+?

Also, how does that work with owners? Are the Encore+ aircraft only flown for owners who bought shares specifically in Encore+ aircraft or is it flown interchangably with the regular Encore? How many Encore+ aircraft are on the way?