News flash -alpha votes yes

[dicko]

Oh yeah, I almost forgot....if Dicko is onboard, the jet will be painted nose to tail with a huge "Rick Perry for President!"

And Rick will be nekked!.......

That's just flat out cruelty. The upside is that he'll probably end up shooting himself in the face while attempting to clear a weapon. Problem solved.

I'm calling the ACLU.:bawling:


EDIT: Some nice men in suits have arrived at my home to have a" little chat with me". See ya'll in a few years




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[Sacha]

Staple, shmaple......that's so old school........push em over the edge, next stop; GITMO!

Problem solved.........and it's BINDING too......

 

[Fubijaakr]

I believe it to be a fabrication began to foster fear within the AT group to get them to avoid arbitration. Anyone know FOR A FACT, that this comment or anything eluding to it was made?

Of course it was. It appears to have worked, too.

Does anyone REALLY think the God King invested this much money NOT to merge the operations? The whole rationale for the merger is that AAI was the vehicle for continued SWA growth.

Separate operations negates any advantage gotten from the merger.

It was an empty threat that worked like a charm. Pretty typical management ploy to keep the drones in line.

 

[PCL_128]

Wouldn't even implying it be considered intimidation which is also illegal?

Look, you can certainly get a bunch of money together and go sue them if you want. Personally, I'm just going to accept that we were beaten, and move on. If you want to spend the next 10 years fighting with your employer, have fun. We had our opportunity to go to arbitration, and we are choosing to pass it up. That's the proper avenue to fight, not in court after voting to accept a deal.

 

[Fubijaakr]

We had our opportunity to go to arbitration, and we are choosing to pass it up. That's the proper avenue to fight, not in court after voting to accept a deal.

Two key thoughts right there.

AAI pilots are accepting the proffered deal. Whether the decision is made from logic or perceived intimidation is immaterial. If the SWA pilots vote it down, it would be a bonus for AAI pilots. It won't happen.

The second key point is that in accepting the deal (or agreeing to BINDING arbitration) you are morally obligated to live up to the commitment.

Don't be Easties.

 

[PapaWoody]

Here is the only question that I have. Did anyone actually say that if this integration agreement is not accepted that SWA will operate the airlines separately and not integrate the two airlines? There is rumor it was said, but I want to know for sure. If it was said, that would be extortion and there would be legal action taken. I believe it to be a fabrication began to foster fear within the AT group to get them to avoid arbitration. Anyone know FOR A FACT, that this comment or anything eluding to it was made?

I am not in the know, and have no idea what was said or implied, or even "heavily implied". However, I would like to add that if SWA made an offer of integration, and as part of that offer they alluded to their other legal options as to how to deploy the resources from the airline that they acquired, it seems to me that would just be more information from which to make an informed decision. What SWA does or doesn't do with the assets that they bought is up to them. The decisions each of our groups makes with the information that has been imparted is up to us. Actions have consequences, and there is nothing illegal making them known prior to the decision making process. Just my two cents.

Respectfully,
PapaWoody

 

[madjack]

"That's the proper avenue to fight, not in court after voting to accept a deal"

The pilots at AAI have just had a costly lesson about "negotiating" with the company...turn down the first offer, they come back with less...the company owns all the cards and they get what they want, in this case they wanted a negotiated settlement...looks like they are going to get it and that will make the lawyers unhappy...

 

[RobZerbe]

Here is the only question that I have. Did anyone actually say that if this integration agreement is not accepted that SWA will operate the airlines separately and not integrate the two airlines? There is rumor it was said, but I want to know for sure. If it was said, that would be extortion and there would be legal action taken. I believe it to be a fabrication began to foster fear within the AT group to get them to avoid arbitration. Anyone know FOR A FACT, that this comment or anything eluding to it was made?

OMP,

The best answer to this is in the SIA email sent from the Company on September 22nd.

 

[Fubijaakr]

The pilots at AAI have just had a costly lesson about "negotiating" with the company...turn down the first offer, they come back with less...the company owns all the cards and they get what they want....

Your point is well taken. And its EXACTLY why AAI pilots should turn this down and turn it over to the arbitrator.

There's no way the Company will carry through with the threat of separate ops OR divesting the assets of the Company they just merged with. That's tantamount to taking the cash they spent and lighting it on fire in the parking lot.

The arbitrator gives ALL the parties plausible deniability. Whoever "loses" can't complain that the either the Company or the "other side" screwed them and you can all put it in the past and move forward.

With this "deal" you're going to have a bunch of p.o.ed pilots on both sides poisioning the cockpit atmosphere for decades to come.

The only winner will be the God King who gets a reduced payroll until 2015 and a labor group he can pit against one another in future negotiations.

Ever hear the term "Divide and Conquer?" You're about to start living it. Good luck with that.