"New UAL" jumpseat & business class?

[altimaklr]

What's the new "New UA" policy on jumpseaters? United and UA pilots have always been very gracious about upgrading jumpseaters if it's available, while Continental is always the worst. I hope the UA corporate culture wins out on this one..

 

[waveflyer]

What's the new "New UA" policy on jumpseaters? United and UA pilots have always been very gracious about upgrading jumpseaters if it's available, while Continental is always the worst. I hope the UA corporate culture wins out on this one..

+1^^^

( I don't have a FC anymore and do miss it- always grateful as a JSer-
From when I did- had continental pilots have the decision in their hands and send me to the back.... Now, I can't b-tch- back then, thought it was lame considering how many FC seats our crews had given to CO crews)

 

[DCAA320]

UAL guy/girls always upgraded me going to Asia, multiple times.

Well appreciated guys.

 

[SOVT]

First let me state that I am embarrassed that we (CAL) dont put jumpseaters in Business First.

However, we are specifically prohibited (in most cases) from putting jumpseaters in BF. If anyone has heartburn over a courtesy upgrade the Capt will probably be doing a carpet dance.

Depending on the Capt and the "attitude" of the back end crew some guys will move a jumpseater up but it is a hit or miss proposition.

Hopefully this will change as we complete the merger with UAL. I have already seen some positive operational stuff come over to the CAL side (and some incredibly dumb stuff too).

+1^^^

( I don't have a FC anymore and do miss it- always grateful as a JSer-
From when I did- had continental pilots have the decision in their hands and send me to the back.... Now, I can't b-tch- back then, thought it was lame considering how many FC seats our crews had given to CO crews)

 

[talespin]

First let me state that I am embarrassed that we (CAL) dont put jumpseaters in Business First.

However, we are specifically prohibited (in most cases) from putting jumpseaters in BF. If anyone has heartburn over a courtesy upgrade the Capt will probably be doing a carpet dance.

Depending on the Capt and the "attitude" of the back end crew some guys will move a jumpseater up but it is a hit or miss proposition.

Hopefully this will change as we complete the merger with UAL. I have already seen some positive operational stuff come over to the CAL side (and some incredibly dumb stuff too).

I can second that!!!! I made the mistake once. First the flight attendants told me I'm not allowed to upgrade the jumpseater then a week or so later my chief gave me a few minutes of his time over something that should be a no brainer. Anyway I digress. The long and short is if the back end is cool there won't be an issue over it and it goes no further. Having said that you are only one SKY NAZI away from coffee with the man. And that's why you are not sitting in that empty first class seat!

Hope it changes!

 

[eaglesview]

Not really an issue anymore. Ual will upgrades pax at the drop of a hat domestically so there is never a seat. Internationally first or business is always offered.

 

[Flybywire44]

What's the new "New UA" policy on jumpseaters? United and UA pilots have always been very gracious about upgrading jumpseaters if it's available, while Continental is always the worst. I hope the UA corporate culture wins out on this one..

In Dec of '09 a CAL crew out of DEL saved my bacon. Coach seat assignment and the flight crew pulled me up to first class—first impressions are everything.

Thank you CAL!

 

[altimaklr]

As of a month ago, ITO-SFO, first class was only half full and the crew wouldn't u/g me to domestic first. Even brought some Hawaiian goodies for the battle axes in the back, didn't help a bit.

 

[Flybywire44]

Here is the secret to getting upgraded on a jumpseat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-zEtAuKuUY

 

[waveflyer]

On the subject and to be fair-
Virgin America policy- no non revs in 1st of any kind- airplane can go out full all js's occupied, and open seats in 1st- you'll be left at gate

 

[Ralph Cramden]

Wave, if this has happened to you we apologize. What is supposed to happen is a main cabin frequent flyer gets a free FC upgrade and you get on either in main cabin or up front on the comfy JSs.

The policy sucks, but it is what it is. I rarely see a situation where one of the 8 FC seats is open without the main cabin having open seats as well.

With our recent Sabre change there is a "learning curve" going on at the gate, so please ask to speak with the CA if you think you are about to be left behind. We will get you on if there is a seat available and most CAs are doing gate checks at 10 minutes prior to push just to be sure no one is left behind.

 

[Continental]

Continental err United sucks. As long as they are going with the CAL way of doing things they will always stick it to employees or non revs.


Jeff, MGT, Fred, Pierce...Hope you get coal for Christmas. I know you sure wont be working

Come on lottery....

 

[Continental]

I have already seen some positive operational stuff come over to the CAL side (and some incredibly dumb stuff too).

What is this positive operational stuff you speak of? That new United lanyard?

 

[waveflyer]

Did not know that Ralph- but no- that's how it was explained to me by pilots who worked there 3 years ago-

 

[strobzz]

On the subject and to be fair-
Virgin America policy- no non revs in 1st of any kind- airplane can go out full all js's occupied, and open seats in 1st- you'll be left at gate

I thougt we could upgrade a Pax to open up a coach seat.I`am pretty sure it`s in the GOM that way.I will have to look it up again.

 

[waveflyer]

Apparently so- which is a lot better
But still a worse policy than CO- I believe they will place JSer in 1st if none other available- and Co non revs can pay a bit to sit there-
but who am I to comment from WN- what can I offer you? An exit row, free drink, and some more pretzels? These opinions come from my previous lives-
Thank you to all the airlines that upgrade us- I hope we treat you well enough when you ride us to make it worth it. Heck, I'll even run for a Starbucks and chocolate for you- It's always very much appreciated and not lost on us that we can't reciprocate that particular benefit

 

[Dewey Oxberger]

What is this positive operational stuff you speak of? That new United lanyard?

I haven't read it myself but multiple Captains recently have brought up the fact that the new ops manual has significant positive changes in the area of Captain's authority, which fortunately made it into the book over the objections of our esteemed VP of flt ops. Other than this I wouldn't have a clue...

 

[eaglesview]

You must be a CO pilot. We are experiencing an attempot to erode Capt authority.

 

[zonker]

The problem is there are too many scabs and nancy boys and girls in the left seat who are afraid of this so called carpet dance. Who gives a flying F if you have to go in? Ive also flown with captains that have endured this so called threat and stood up to it with no issues. You're supposed to be the captain, period end of story.

Last two times we had intl jumpseaters on my flight I made sure I let my position be known, these people should be in first class and treated with respect. And they were. Just because we have scumbag managers who want to take away your captains authority doesn't mean you lay down and accept it. Good Lord this should be self evident by now but obviously we have some people who still don't get it.

 

[waveflyer]

Well said zonker!
The flip side though are the idiots out there that use their authority in not so skillful ways- they erode our credibility as much as mgmt tries to take it-

 

[whatitdoing?]

I don't know of one pilot called in to do the carpet dance for upgrading a js from coach to first. It comes down to weak Captains incapable of commanding their plane and dictating the law. That's why we have problems with Captain's authority today and always will. As soon as you say that you upgraded someone for safety, it's done. It's shameful how Captains are treated by FA's and even more shameful how they allow it.

 

[Jetjockey]

It's a mute point. CAL and now the new UAL upgrade until first is full. Perhaps on an international segment there may be an open seat, but rare.

 

[dicko]

It's a mute point. CAL and now the new UAL upgrade until first is full. Perhaps on an international segment there may be an open seat, but rare.

Are you saying that United will now upgrade from Coach on International flights until Biz and First class are full ? If so, when did the change occur .

Thanks.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Moot

(sorry)

 

[Jetjockey]

Moot

(sorry)

Victim of over trusting spell checker.

 

[GINCHBLASTER]

Are you saying that United will now upgrade from Coach on International flights until Biz and First class are full ? If so, when did the change occur .

Thanks.

Other way around. Expect a full first class on domestic. International may have empties.

 

[zasca]

Damn... United always used to put me in business no matter where in the USA or world. The best!