New Southwest Domicile - ATL

[Tripower455]

you do know that a DAL pilot has more options for domestic routes than he does for international. It's sort of like saying all FedEx pilots have to fly at night, when nearly 1/2 their flying is day time...

Really?

 

[General Lee]

Enough already. Seriously.

If you like International, good for you. But you spend an awful lot of time trying to convince everyone on this forum that it's the best deal around. Trust me--many, many people disagree with you. Not just Southwest pilots.

Here's an example for you: my buddy at American, who was furloughed for 5 years, got back in November 2007. Since that time, he's never been more than 100 or so pilots from the bottom of the total list. When he got called back to the very bottom, he was given 757/767 Intl out of NY. That European flying you crow about, is literally the last thing American pilots wanted. After a few years, he got 757/767 domestic out of LA, where all he did was 3 different trips: LA-NY, or LA-MIA, or LA-DFW-LA. That was it, but that was a step up. Then the American SFO base closed, and those guys all moved down to LA. Guess where he got dispaced to? Back to 757/767 Intl out of NY. The place that nobody else in the entire company wanted--the flying you do.

Like I said (and Dan mentioned above), some people like iternational. You say you do, so good for you. Many, many, many pilots do not, and don't do that kind of flying. Good for them. But I'd bet that almost nobody on this board agrees with you that it's the be-all and end-all that you pretend it is. Even the folks on this board who usuall fall on your side of arguments are getting tired of your holier-than-thou international schtick. It didn't seem like you noticed that, so I thought I'd point it out.

Bubba

Bubba, that is a function of his seniority. If he was only getting the worst trips, that are worth nothing because of AA's old contract, then he should have gone somewhere else. Being in the bottom 100 anywhere probably isn't very fun. If he was only getting the worst trips, then that is because of where he is at, not generalizing it and saying "ALL INTL FLYING SUCKS" like tri-power did. I didn't say all DOMESTIC FLYING SUCKS. No, I still fly domestic every now and then if I want to pick something up. I still like SAN layovers. Your friend needs to go somewhere else if he doesn't like his situation. I have a buddy at AA who is a 777 FO out of LAX and he was hired there in 1990. He does 1 Shanghai 3 day a week, or a Narita or a Heathrow. 3-4 trips per month depending on the season. That sounds better, because he is more senior.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[HA25]

Really?

not trying to be a smartass.. it's just some of this bickering is lame. Sort of pointless and contributes little except ill will, even if it can be entertaining at times...

 

[Tripower455]

I'm so glad to hear you SWA folks saying that you don't like Int'l. Really, I am.

My schedule for next month:

I turned one week of vacation into 24 days off by bidding touching conflicts. My last flight is the 22nd of Dec and I don't go back to work until the 16th of Jan.

Nice... I bid for max vacation pull too.

42 days off using 2 weeks of vacation, and no international!

I got home on the 11th and you won't see my happy a$$ near an airport until Jan 23rd.....

 

[Tripower455]

But Dan..........Tri-power 455 says ALL INTL flying SUCKS. He does. He knows.....

Yup... My opinion....

I hated doing it, and hope to never do it again. The only way I want to go international is as a passneger on vacation.

I'm glad you like it, or pretend to......

 

[Lear70]

Nice... I bid for max vacation pull too.

42 days off using 2 weeks of vacation, and no international!

I got home on the 11th and you won't see my happy a$$ near an airport until Jan 23rd.....

Nice!

Hoping to do the same thing in April, getting married and don't want to have to bother about taking a leave to get the time in. Of course, I'll still take the 24 hr CUN and PUJ layover afterwards to recuperate after the Honeymoon... lol

 

[Tripower455]

not trying to be a smartass.. it's just some of this bickering is lame. Sort of pointless and contributes little except ill will, even if it can be entertaining at times...

I totally agree......

It's all lame...

Just one question....

Who, almost singlehandedly, turned this once useful (believe it or not) forum into a SW bash fest, out of nothing more than pure jealousy.

It has to be jealousy, because what else would make an (alleged) pilot, (supposedly) with a desirable major airline job, spend so much time and effort trolling on issues that don't even affect her?

And I realize that not everyone wants to be a SW pilot, but this troll must've wanted it really bad....

 

[HA25]

sort of amusing to read this .. We're lumping all international flying together as if it's all the same.

I've done my share of if, 6 continents, and God knows how many countries.. There is a world of difference between doing a JFK to FRA, sitting on the tracks for 4 hours and maybe a total of 7 hours flying, with 8-9 hours duty.. AND flying JFK to BOM, 14+ hours aloft and crossing into the Asian subcontinent, crossing over the "stans", with their FIR boundary mess etc.. OR ... KBL-ALM-PVG and playing with QFE, Metric Altitudes, and possible hostile enemy fire. I've done all 3, with scheduled and non-scheduled operations, with 3 pilot crews, and 2 pilot / 1 FE crews .. and even though they all fall under "International" flying.... they are about as similar General Lee and Southwest Bubba..

You haven't experienced the worse side of international until you've been given your destination less than 1 day before, to someplace you've never been, a stack of papers, international NOTAMS, weather charts and told "the handlers will get take care of you when you get in".. I'd take 12 Amarillo's a month any day over that mess.... But, by the same token, I'd 10 times prefer a JFK-FRA or AMS with 2 days lay over, or as I hope to do soon HNL-AKL, to the domestic stuff..

It's not so simple.

 

[HA25]

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Just one question....

Who, almost singlehandedly, turned this once useful (believe it or not) forum into a SW bash fest, out of nothing more than pure jealousy.
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I know, but I don't think it's Jealousy in his case, I do think he genuinely blames you guys for some of the changes to the industry that you have to admit came about with the advent of "low cost" carriers, de-regulation, etc .. Ironically, Southwest is anything but a low cost carrier these days, and their service is better than many "legacy" carriers (not us of course!) .. But is that because they've all gone down? or because you came up? Complicated question.

 

[Tripower455]

I know, but I don't think it's Jealousy in his case, I do think he genuinely blames you guys for some of the changes to the industry that you have to admit came about with the advent of "low cost" carriers, de-regulation, etc .. Ironically, Southwest is anything but a low cost carrier these days, and their service is better than many "legacy" carriers (not us of course!) .. But is that because they've all gone down? or because you came up? Complicated question.

No, it's pure jealousy.

A random comment here or there would be a normal reaction to an annoyance. Her complete obsession with SW borders on a sickness that hopefully is just jealousy.

 

[HA25]

. Her complete obsession with SW borders on a sickness that hopefully is just jealousy.

We sure he's a she? Or is this just a way to pull his strings? He insisted to me that he's a he.

 

[Flying the Line]

Larry Ellison (CEO of oracle) once said: it's not enough for me to succeed, everyone else must fail.

That is how the general is. He is right and wants you to know and admit that you are wrong.

 

[Tripower455]

We sure he's a she? Or is this just a way to pull his strings? He insisted to me that he's a he.

Who cares, really?

Male female, Delta pilot or HS student, he/she is a troll. Period.

 

[canyonblue]

I know, but I don't think it's Jealousy in his case, I do think he genuinely blames you guys for some of the changes to the industry that you have to admit came about with the advent of "low cost" carriers, de-regulation, etc ..

Ever heard of Song, United Shuttle, TED, MetroJet, Continental Lite. If your product is one that is worthy of customers, then why create a LCC within your airline when people could just fly the real thing on Southwest. It was those airlines who were hellbent on sticking it to Southwest, that created the mess they are in now. Do you think 20 years ago people flying on a Legacy would think that in the future they would have no meal service and have to pay for a checked bag. As far as changes to the industry, the bankruptcies and concessionary contracts have done more harm to pilot wages than Southwest ever could.

 

[canyonblue]

We sure he's a she? Or is this just a way to pull his strings? He insisted to me that he's a he.

Sounds like a bad date.