New Skywest RJ rates????

[JBcrjca]

I know people who have talked about it with some of your pilots. Your pilots stated that they wanted to have our CR7's transfered to Scumwest, then your pilots would try to get higher pay.

Oh sure, that's a reliable source. Kinda like 'my friends brother knows a guy that heard from the guy that works at 7-11...'. I seriously doubt that any SKYW pilot would say anything like that. Why in the world would we want ASA/CMR CR7s transferred to us?? It would make absolutely no sense. Sadly for the furloughed DAL pilots, DCI has plenty of flying to go around to the Connection carriers. They just keep moving it around to get everyone riled up. Like PBR said, it's just another example of the man keepin' the brotha man down.

Oh, and the 'Scumwest' nickname...very original, very mature. Nice work.

trainerjet...that was a great post, I like the part about the red dress and pumps. Who's next to wear them?

 

[FlyboyPhil]

I suppose that when deltas pilots agree to a 30-40% reduction in hourly pay they will be caving in too... greedy suckers.. want to keep flying instead of going bankrupt.. can you believe they are getting suckered into that one?? They will also be keeping flying away from all the connection pilots... just because they wont stand up to the bankruptcy judge.... why don't they just price themselves out of business like everyone else is supposed to do? Guess they just don't understand... sigh...

 

[General Lee]

Flyboyphil,

First of all, we will NOT give in the 31% or the 21% (with additional 9% in two May raises). Nope. We don't think we should be the only ones to give up anything. I have heard about 10% or maybe as high as 15%---and they can take it or we can give them Nothing. We might throw in a little per-diem money, or maybe some crew meals, etc. That's it. And, Dalpa is filing another grievance to try to recall the "War Emergency" furloughs (250 of them) since the War is over and the loads seem to be coming back. I don't think Dalpa is going to roll over on pay cuts, since Leo even said that we don't have to talk until 2005. Dalpa will probably ask for something in return for any cuts, like a contract extension or snapbacks. No rolling over here. Even with a 10-15% paycut, our pilots will still be the highest paid by 20-30% (vs AA and UA). But remember, our situation is different than AA's and UA's---and the only reason we are going to talk and possibly give some money is because we don't want to end up in the same situation as those two. And, since we are the only ones in this company with a contract and a union, we think some of the other employee groups should also chip in. (They would have no choice without a union or contract) Ofcourse, our union leadership may choose to not give anything, and they have been watching the books and know the real story. This should be interesting.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[sleepy]

Sleepy,
Some of us realize the folly of this "TA", and voted NO.
Your airplanes, your flying, come on the planes belong to the leasing company and the flying belongs to ma Delta, not you, not me, the company that sells the ticket owns it.
Now the real issue I voted no because it was a bad deal. Do I want "your airplane or flying" absolutely not, this is the way that the "man" whips you and me against each other and distracts us from the real issue- we are all being taken to the cleaners, you may lose the flying today, we will lose it tomorrow. This is how they will keep the pilots fighting amongst themselves, you are just furthering the "mans" goals.
Oh yes I fly to DFW on a regular basis come on over and say hi, I will be the guy in the SKYW monkey suit. Believe me what is best for you is also best for me and that is how it should be. It is us VS th "man"
PBR

Good for you for voting no. To bad that 53% of your pilots are scumbags. Yes I know that the "man" is using the whipsaw against us quite effectively, and actions like your recent TA sure help him out.

And you are correct that nobody but the DAL shareholders "own" the flying, but since ASA and Comair have the aircraft (CR7), and your pilot group wants them, and is willing to offer to operate them for way less than we do, I can only conclude that you are trying to take them from us by being a "low-ball" bidder. That does not sit well with me, probably the way you will feel when Mesa undercuts you for the United flying.

 

[FlyboyPhil]

General.. sorry.. thought I made it obvious.. my post was sarcastic in the extreme.. goodluck with your negotiations!

 

[General Lee]

Flyboyphil,

I'm sorry too, sometimes I take this board way too seriously. I think we will give up some cash, but overall we will still hold the bar up high for the rest of the industry--which is good for you and me. The only people who seem to get rich these days are the people in management. Take it easy.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Rogue5]

Slow down easy...

Taking this message board seriously: DEFINATELY a sign of sickness...

Primarily caused by:

A) Long layovers with internet access
B) Too many months on reserve
C) Furlough

Remedy:

Corona with lime poolside with baseball game on the radio.

 

[Theflyingtito]

By Sleepy
That does not sit well with me, probably the way you will feel when Mesa undercuts you for the United flying

Hey, did you notice smart guy that we signed a contract with United for the next 11 years and now own over 50% of the United Express flying.
Take your childish namecalling and take a hike. I think the old saying of "keep your mouth shut so no one knows you're a fool instead of opening it and removing all doubt" definitely applies here.
There were seven airlines bidding on the united flying. The fact that we got the contract when our 50 seat pay rates are still amoung the highest in the industry makes me dang proud to work here. Our seventy seat rates are actually higher than some companies also. We get to fly both, gain more flying, and have a profitable company to work for. We don't have the luxury/horror(take your pick) of being wholy owned. This means we have a lot more expenses than those who are. We have to pay a lot more lease and depreciation costs that others do not. And we still have some of the highest pay. We are not being asked for concessions.
To me, in these times, there is no name calling that can change the way I feel about where I work.
By the way, I did vote no to the TA, but life goes on. Let's just hope we get it right in 18 months.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Sleepy,
If you are really a pilot, here is somethings you might understand.
You might even be smart to figure this out:

"Your pilot group wants them, and is willing to offer to operate them for way less than we do"

How do you figure that? 53% voted to fly 50-99 seats a/c for 2 year old rates, I am gonna go out on a limb here, the CR7 has 70 seats right, 50-99 same price per the new agreement.

"I can only conclude that you are trying to take them from us by being a "low-ball" bidder"

OK, still out on the limb here, I bid on flying lines, to fly as a pilot. If SKYW bids on flying that is their job as a company.
I nor do the pilots have any say on what SKYW bids for, nor how much they bid.

"That does not sit well with me, probably the way you will feel when Mesa undercuts you for the United flying".

I am sorry that the above do not sit well with you, perhaps you should reach around, and into your Pull-Up Pampers and remove some of the stuff that will not allow you to sit well.
I can only conclude that you are a very young and foolish young person or an older version of the previous description.
I seem from your posts that this may be the only communications you can understand, you POO-POO head.
PBR

P.S. What Mesa does or does not do, will not cause me to lose sleep, you might even understand this: business's compete with each other that is capitalism, if you keep makin' me take you to school I'm gonna you charge tuition.







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[FNB]

pilot pay???

What I find funny in this whole discussion it the fact that pilot pay is the only thing that the majors look at.

Skywest has been graded with our on time performance since Jan. We have been the #1 airline in the country 3 times. Do you think that UAL ignores that. Quality does still matter.

Our contract is not getting us more business, our attitude, our customer service, and the way we treat our customers is getting us more business. If you want to blame the pilot contract, which is still higher than most, go ahead.

But as Flyingtito said, "I am domn proud to work for Skywest" even if we make $4 less an hour than CMR to fly a 70 seater.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

I think it's ridiculous that we're trying to justify our TA to people that PFT'd or work for carriers that until recently were PFT. My memory of the 90's is still pretty clear.

I have never heard anyone say nor seen a post on our internal forums that stated anything to the effect of "vote for the TA so we could take XYZ's 70 seaters."

Although the TA has drawbacks we are still near or at the top for compensation among UAX carriers for 50&70 seats. I'm not saying it's a great TA but we're not going to know the real outcome for another couple of years. How many UAX pilots are guaranteed to avoid paycuts in equipment they currently operate? How many UAX pilots will maintain their pre 9/11 work rules for the most part?

 

[Bako Cap]

I shouldn't be posting, It's too fricking late.... But

Where do you people think we are???
We are regional pilots. The regionals have always sucked in the pay department and always will. Now that the industry has tanked we all start thinking about actually staying at our little regional for the long haul. Guess what? That's pretty lame. Every one of our companies will be whipsawed into oblivion. I dig flying for SKYW, it's a great company to work for right now, but I'm not planning on staying here 'till I'm 60. I was hired on with no pension and I know I will not have one until I get hired on with a company that does. If you want money, chill out until the industry turns up and then go to the majors. If you think you are too old, that's crap. After 3 years at a major, I'll not only be making more than I would if I stayed, but I will have made up my losses from my first year pay.

If you folks STILL want to blame someone, how about you blame Delta ALPA and United APLA for our crappy pay. They opened up the "RJ pandoras box" ie. "limited scope" by alowing their company to let the regionals fly any jets at all. It's their fault for not having the RJs flying on their property with their pilots. I can see how the union negotiations went...

Management - "Hi guys, we want to give our cheap regional partners small jets."

UALPA - "Hell no, only we fly jets!"

Management - "How about we give you guys a pay raise."

UALPA - "OK, but just 65 small jets and only up to 50 seats."

Management - "Sure, that's it. We promise it will only be 65 and no bigger than 50 seats. Trust us....."

Talk about caving to management................

I've already lost my job once due to Mesa and United (remember Westair) and I'm not losing it again. I heard the same crap working there that I've heard from all the "NO" voters here. "United likes our product" and the one I love, "No one can replace us quick enough, let alone have the airplanes and resources." BullS#$T

I don't trust United management, never will. They would sell us out in a heartbeat and still might. Remember, SKYW only has a MOU with United not a contract. Let alone we all know how United honors their contracts. In case you're slow, THEY DON'T. I bet they went to Mesa and said, "Pssst.. This is what we got from SKYW, any chance you can under bid it?"

I'd better stop typing before I turn off on another tangent and I'm starting to go crosseyed.

 

[sleepy]

Sleepy,
If you are really a pilot, here is somethings you might understand.
You might even be smart to figure this out:

"Your pilot group wants them, and is willing to offer to operate them for way less than we do"

How do you figure that? 53% voted to fly 50-99 seats a/c for 2 year old rates, I am gonna go out on a limb here, the CR7 has 70 seats right, 50-99 same price per the new agreement.

"I can only conclude that you are trying to take them from us by being a "low-ball" bidder"

OK, still out on the limb here, I bid on flying lines, to fly as a pilot. If SKYW bids on flying that is their job as a company.
I nor do the pilots have any say on what SKYW bids for, nor how much they bid.

"That does not sit well with me, probably the way you will feel when Mesa undercuts you for the United flying".

I am sorry that the above do not sit well with you, perhaps you should reach around, and into your Pull-Up Pampers and remove some of the stuff that will not allow you to sit well.
I can only conclude that you are a very young and foolish young person or an older version of the previous description.
I seem from your posts that this may be the only communications you can understand, you POO-POO head.
PBR

P.S. What Mesa does or does not do, will not cause me to lose sleep, you might even understand this: business's compete with each other that is capitalism, if you keep makin' me take you to school I'm gonna you charge tuition.

Wow, a lot of name calling there, especially for a Mormon boy. I still think you are scum. Most of our pilots think the same thing. This is pointless, I'm out.







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[bladeusa]

But as Flyingtito said, "I am domn proud to work for Skywest" even if we make $4 less an hour than CMR to fly a 70 seater.

really.. ive been here under 4 years and am making 69.91 plus 1.65 per diem... didnt realize u were getting as much as u claim...

 

[Theflyingtito]

BladeUSA,
I'm not going to debate that there is better pay out there. For where I work and the quality of environment that I work in, the places I fly and the people I get to fly with... you get the idea, I still wouldn't want to work anywhere else. It doesn't have to be some big competition. As a total package, I was just saying I'm glad to work here.