New Hire at Comair, if a strike happens??

[dueguard1]

What would happen to a new hire in training if a strike were to commence?? Do you join the picket line while on probation?? Would the company fire You if you did so?
What would the Union advise in this situation?

 

[viper548]

Update your resume and dont cross the line. Even if you do get fired it's better than being labeled a scab for the rest of your life

 

[The_Russian]

Word.

 

[MikeSF340]

You would probably have to find a new job anyway because that would KILL whats left of the company.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

You can finish training and IOE then you strike. Don't worry though, there is no such thing as a strike anymore anyway.

 

[clarkwgriswald]

I agree, Delta would not put up with a strike. If a strike were determined to be legal and it happened, it would hurt Delta in the short term. Long term Delta would probably be ok, Comair most likely would not.

 

[N2264J]

Re: New Hire at Comair, if a strike happens?

What would happen to a new hire in training if a strike were to commence?? Do you join the picket line while on probation?? Would the company fire You if you did so? What would the Union advise in this situation?

I think the MEC will advise you to go to work. Your offer to picket is appreciated but not necessary as it's all covered. The union can't protect your job the first year. Comair pilots understand your situation.

 

[HA25]

Update your resume and dont cross the line. Even if you do get fired it's better than being labeled a scab for the rest of your life

EXACTLY!

 

[Tarzan]

I think the MEC will advise you to go to work. Your offer to picket is appreciated but not necessary as it's all covered. The union can't protect your job the first year. Comair pilots understand your situation.

You're covered under the Railway Labor Act. Don't cross the linie.

 

[plunger]

Got an interview coming up. seems like the news gets worse and worse. starting to wonder if it's even worth going.

 

[RobCat]

I think the union would advise you to show because of your probation period. They should understand. Besides you can't go anywhere if you don't have a captain. Go to the interview, get the job then worry.

My 2cents

 

[imacdog]

Got an interview coming up. seems like the news gets worse and worse. starting to wonder if it's even worth going.

I would at least go to the interview and see if it's worth coming here. If anything else the interview will be good practice. We have no training contract unlike some other regionals so if things get worse you can leave at any time, and the 121 training you get here will look good on your resume.

 

[John Pennekamp]

I think the MEC will advise you to go to work. Your offer to picket is appreciated but not necessary as it's all covered. The union can't protect your job the first year. Comair pilots understand your situation.

You're kidding, right?

Generally, the company will automatically fire all those on probation when a strike happens. They become "hostages" and their return is part of the negotiated settlement. This is what Comair did last time.

 

[B727Driver]

Don't cross, apply elsewhere.

 

[CFIse]

What would happen to a new hire in training if a strike were to commence?? Do you join the picket line while on probation?? Would the company fire You if you did so?
What would the Union advise in this situation?

There won't be a strike at Comair - they're in bankruptcy - worse case a contract is forced on them and the NMB will prevent a strike.

But if there is a strike it won't be your problem - because as others have pointed out the company will release you from a present requirement for work while releasing themselves from a present requirement to pay you.

And finally - if there is a strike there won't be a Comair to come back to work for, Delta will take all it's planes and go and play somewhere else, and don't think there aren't a BUNCH of regional operators salivating at that opportunity.

 

[plunger]

Yeah, I'm going to go. Comair has always been my number 1 choice. I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I didn't at least interview. I just hope everything works out. Not sure I really understand what all is going on. My understanding is that the airline is trying to force wage concesssions on the pilots.

So, if Mgmt and the union can reach a settlement than no one will be out of a job. If the pilots strike, new hires will be let go and Delta could possibly take away more flying = furloughes? Is that accurate?

 

[imacdog]

So, if Mgmt and the union can reach a settlement than no one will be out of a job. If the pilots strike, new hires will be let go and Delta could possibly take away more flying = furloughes? Is that accurate?

Not exactly - Delta can still take away airplanes even if the company forces concessions on us, or we come to an agreement.

 

[plunger]

Not exactly - Delta can still take away airplanes even if the company forces concessions on us, or we come to an agreement.

IF an agreement is reached, is that likely to happen, or is Delta waiting to see how this all shakes out before awarding/reducing anymore flying?

 

[wmuflyguy]

IF an agreement is reached, is that likely to happen, or is Delta waiting to see how this all shakes out before awarding/reducing anymore flying?

Most likely if an agreement is reached, Comair willget something (keep what we got ro get some additional planes).

There is no garuntee though, in the contract. I think that is the point he was trying to make

 

[Scope out RJ's]

I think the MEC will advise you to go to work. Your offer to picket is appreciated but not necessary as it's all covered. The union can't protect your job the first year. Comair pilots understand your situation.

Do you know anything??
Don't worry though, the prospect of cmr getting a sniny new aircraft waved in their face will make them fold quicker than a house of cards in a wind storm.
There won't be any strike!
Besides I'm sure the rjdc will protect you!

 

[wmuflyguy]

Yeah, I'm going to go. Comair has always been my number 1 choice. I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I didn't at least interview. I just hope everything works out. Not sure I really understand what all is going on. My understanding is that the airline is trying to force wage concesssions on the pilots.

So, if Mgmt and the union can reach a settlement than no one will be out of a job. If the pilots strike, new hires will be let go and Delta could possibly take away more flying = furloughes? Is that accurate?

Count how many airlines have been allowed/have striked while in bankruptcy. (hint is is less than 1)

That will give you your answer.

Voted in favor of a strike, but history has shown it most likely won't happen.

 

[N2264J]

Re: New Hire at Comair, if a strike happens?

You're kidding, right?

No, I'm not kidding.

Out of 1800 pilots during the strike, 3 crossed the line. One ex management and almost retired, one already retired. I'm not sure it's useful to lecture Comair pilots on what constitutes a scab.

If management wants you to stand on your head during the first year, by all means, go stand on your head. We understand.

 

[N2264J]

So, if Mgmt and the union can reach a settlement than no one will be out of a job. If the pilots strike, new hires will be let go and Delta could possibly take away more flying = furloughes? Is that accurate?

Don't worry about any of this.

Give your undivided attention to the training department. Show training your best effort and everything else will work itself out.

 

[HA25]

We understand.

You might, but that doesn't guarantee another ALPA/APA/SWAPA/Teamsters etc.. group will.. I'd rather get fired than cross the line if it were me.

 

[737 Pylt]

No, I'm not kidding.

Out of 1800 pilots during the strike, 3 crossed the line. One ex management and almost retired, one already retired. I'm not sure it's useful to lecture Comair pilots on what constitutes a scab.

While your advice is quite admirable, taking it from a guy (rjdc supporter) like you is like taking peace advice from Al Qaeda!

If management wants you to stand on your head during the first year, by all means, go stand on your head. We understand.

I'm sure you would!

737

 

[bvt1151]

While your advice is quite admirable, taking it from a guy (rjdc supporter) like you is like taking peace advice from Al Qaeda

737

LOL! Why don't you throw in some Hitler and Stalin references while you're at it? I heard Satan himself supports the RJDC just to consume the Delta pilots' souls.

Kool-Aid is Kool-Aid, no matter who is serving it. Try some original thoughts once in a while rather than just regurgitating what ALPA tells you.

 

[JetPilot_Mike]

If you are on probation, you will get a letter from the company firing your a$$. Do not cross the line, no matter if you are 1 day, 1 month, or 1 year. If we still have a place to work when the strike is over, you will be rehired. Don't listen to the "we understand if you are first year" crap that people are telling you. You do not show up, even using the excuse that there are no captains.

Again, if you are a pilot, and there is a strike, you DO NOT go to work. Period.

 

[agonyairfo]

Go to interview/training and keep applying elsewhere. If no one else has called you by class date, show up. I don't think anyone would care if you stay in training. It isn't like your flying airplanes, i.e., struck work. You won't even be able to do sim/I.O.E. because those guys will be walking (maybe a few sim guys aren't on the seniority list, not sure). The reality is if we strike you very well may get "fired" or we may loose half the fleet or class will be postponed, etc. All this may be irrelevant. In the mean time, don't turn it down without a better offer. If you at least finish the CRJ ground school portion it will help your resume.

(We won't strike and nothing will be imposed. We will end up agreeing to some lame compromise. I have no reason to believe it won't play out like the FA's.)

 

[wmuflyguy]

(We won't strike and nothing will be imposed. We will end up agreeing to some lame compromise. I have no reason to believe it won't play out like the FA's.)

Just like Delta, Mesaba, Hawaiin....

 

[agonyairfo]

If ALPA puts new hires on "the list" then that takes the cake. Let's be practical.

That being said, I would be curious to hear the union's interpretation. If they say don't show up, then don't show up.