New Freedom Air Class Date

[RUhiring?]

"applause"

Stillaboo....

Outstanding!!

 

[WileE]

Some details.

The Contract was signed off by DW about 3 weeks ago, it's currently being implemented.

The reason they are still flying under the Freedom certificate is pure inertia as far as I know. It makes little economic sense to fly aircraft for the same company under 3 separate certificates. If it does, nobody I know can figure out how it does. In fact it costs Mesa Air Group a heck of a lot of money since they have to have 3 completely seperate management organizations (3 chief pilots, 3 directors of operations, 3 separate dispatches, 3 separate crew scheculers, etc..). To me and everyone I've talked to it would make a lot more sense to combine all the certificates and eliminate all that wasteful redundancy, but sense and the management of this company's management rarely go hand in hand. Of course this whole certificate issue is an FAA thing, another organization notorious for not making sense. It may be that Mesa can't fly the 700/900 on their certificate without the FAA saying 45 Ave Marias, singing 10 islamic hymns and ritually sacrificing a chicken over the paperwork first.

Right now as far as I know, none of the ALPA Mesa guys are flying under Freedom yet. It's been about a month since they began allowing ALPA folks into the 700/900 groundschool and that's probably too short a time for them to get done all the training and IOE to get on line. So probably all the pilots actually flying Freedom planes right now are still the jerks that robbed the rest of us of whatever negotiating leverage we might have had. That will change very quickly though. There will be a lot of union guys taking over the seats from Freedom in the next few months. About forty are in various stages of the transition class right now.

None of the CCAir guys are back to work yet. The only ones who've come back in are the ones starting RJ training this month. They will be coming back in spurts as the classes open up.

The callsign for Freedom is "Freedom Air". There is still a short window open where the person on the radio is pretty much guaranteed to be one of the jerks. After that, they will start getting flushed out of their comfy seats. So you can still get in a little uniformed 'tude for a little while yet if that's what floats your boat. After that window closes, save your chilly looks for the guys on the list. All the mesa guys have those lists, believe me and they are floating around everywhere else too.

 

[LearLove]

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Holly post stillaboo........

I think there's a tear running down my cheek

 

[Jetscream32]

THE CHICKEN LIVES

Stillaboo,

I don't know if you were there when the captain, now retired, who flew the last CCair flight said it but it still rings loud and clear in my head: "They can take away our airplanes, they can take away our contract, and they can take away our name but CCair is something that is in our hearts and they can never take that away."

No matter what uniform I put on or how many jumpseats I get denied because of the name of my employer I will always be a CCair pilot.

 

[SanJuanPlebe]

Freedom-Mesa

Folks,

Get yourself a Freedom List today. Go to the yahoo.com and groups, under freemesaairlines club and in the files section is the current Freedom scab list. Those are the folks that crossed over before we brought Freedom back into the fold. Direct your ire at them. They're the reason we had to settle for less at Mesa.

I'm sorry we've had to muddy the waters by bringing good ALPA dues paying holdouts and furloughed CCAir Kids into the mix, however, it kills Freedom Airlines and these folks should be thanked for being willing to step up to plate and bringing these jobs back into the ALPA fold.

As for you Mesa bashers, I've thought long and hard and have tried to understand your position. But giving my best efforts, I haven't been able to justify the phrase "honey, go on down the Walmart and stock up on the Top Ramen because I'm unemployed and off to walk the line becaues my contract proposal doesn't meet the Air Wisconsin, Comair, or ACA standards...never mind we've got enhancements in almost EVERY section except minimum bid guarantee...which didn't change"

Try that phrase on for size, given today's current environment and see if it works for you. Oh, and don't forget, you'll get to bring back 132 CCAir folks that took a bullettfor you and refused to sign a TRUE concessionary agreement.....honestly see if this works for you. And then judge us as doing the wrong thing.....

 

[wscrj]

Rumor = True?

Geex, I have seen it 100 times and I am still surprised every time a see a "rumor" mutate after even a few postes into a "fact" and used as debate fodder. Simply incredible...

Here is the "truth" from the guy who hauled the "Fed" responsible for bringing the new -200's into the Mesa fleet back to Dallas the other week. Of course, he was kind enough to ride up front with me...for those a little slow on the take today that is laced with heavy implied sarcasm. There are 8 new 200's on lease from Bombardier by way of lease retirn from Kendall in Austrailia. The Feds need to comb through the maint. records and decide if everything is ok for a US carrier to operate the a/c. The first one is on line at MESA AIRLINES, and the remaining seven will be soon. They are painted white, though the tails still have the Kendall paint on it, and will be sent back East for the addidtional J4J flying out of PHL. It seems that JO jumped te gun a bit by commiting to addidtional J4J flying while the J4J pilots were still in groundschool. They are now in the sim and some may be on IOE, so over the next bid or so, they will be joining the line...as reserve pilots (PROBABLY) as that's what their seniority allows.

The first of the "good guy" freedom pilots was flying the other day. so the house cleaning has begun. Many more from the first "ALPA" class are doing LOFT and will be out on line in the coming days. Those people with any experience realize that with a new certificate comes new "FEDS", feds that maybe don't want to give up their new found jobs. Feds that drag out the transition to delay the inevitable. In the end, its all moot. Freedom is now ALPA, and operates under a CBA negotiated and signed by ALPA. The transition is good for Mesa AIRLINE guys, but has no bearing on other airline folks. The list of the original pilots is available where mentioned, or PM me and I will see that one is made available to you.

Anyone stuck in the Midwest weather yesterday? I left DSM in the morning, thank God....