New ExpressJet Pay/Retirement Figures:

[767-300ER]

Just posted: http://www.airlinepilotpay.com/expressjet/expressjet.htm

 

[Axel]

A quick glance shows these pay rates to be approx CHQ+pennies.

Pay rates are, of course, just a small part of the big picture and I have not made an in depth comparison of the respective nuances. Can't help but notice, though, the sound of pins dropping and crickets chirping from all the other regional carriers' camps when compared to the vitriolic uproar over CHQ's failure to raise the proverbial bar.

Just an observation.

 

[MECH]

Thats because the pay rates on there are wrong. Way wrong! They are 6 to 17 per hour off.

 

[Flying Horses]

Way Wrong My A$$

Thats because the pay rates on there are wrong. Way wrong! They are 6 to 17 per hour off.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Those payrates on airlinepilotpay.com on dead-on accurate. Maybe you are living in some sort of fantasy world.

This is a direct cut-n-paste from the new contract:


SECTION 3
COMPENSATION
A. Pay Rates, Regular Pay and Additional Pay
1. Pay Rates
EMB-145 Captain EMB-135 Captain
YOS 12/01/04 12/01/05 12/01/06 12/01/07 YOS 12/01/04 12/01/05 12/01/06 12/01/07
1 57.28 58.71 60.18 61.68 1 50.63 51.90 53.20 54.53
2 58.99 60.46 61.97 63.52 2 52.14 53.45 54.78 56.15
3 60.77 62.29 63.85 65.45 3 53.72 55.07 56.44 57.85
4 62.58 64.15 65.75 67.39 4 55.32 56.71 58.12 59.58
5 64.47 66.08 67.73 69.43 5 56.99 58.42 59.88 61.37
6 66.40 68.06 69.76 71.51 6 58.70 60.17 61.67 63.21
7 67.72 69.41 71.15 72.93 7 59.86 61.36 62.90 64.47
8 69.75 71.50 73.28 75.12 8 61.66 63.20 64.78 66.40
9 71.84 73.64 75.48 77.37 9 63.51 65.10 66.73 68.39
10 74.00 75.85 77.75 79.69 10 65.42 67.05 68.73 70.45
11 76.22 78.13 80.08 82.08 11 67.38 69.06 70.79 72.56
12 78.51 80.47 82.48 84.54 12 69.40 71.13 72.91 74.74
13 80.86 82.88 84.96 87.08 13 71.48 73.27 75.10 76.98
14 83.29 85.37 87.50 89.69 14 73.63 75.47 77.35 79.29
15 84.95 87.08 89.25 91.49 15 75.10 76.98 78.90 80.87
16 86.65 88.82 91.04 93.32 16 76.60 78.52 80.48 82.49
17 88.39 90.60 92.86 95.18 17 78.13 80.09 82.09 84.14
18 90.15 92.41 94.72 97.09 18 79.70 81.69 83.73 85.82
2. A pilot’s total monthly pay is the sum of regular pay and additional pay.
EMB-145/135 First Officer
YOS 12/01/04 12/01/05 12/01/06 12/01/07
1 21.50 22.04 22.59 23.15
2 32.00 32.80 33.62 34.46
3 33.99 34.84 35.72 36.61
4 36.25 37.16 38.09 39.04
5 37.34 38.28 39.23 40.21
6 38.46 39.42 40.41 41.42
7 39.62 40.61 41.62 42.66
8 40.80 41.83 42.87 43.94
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Section 3 – Compensation
3. A pilot’s monthly regular pay shall be his applicable rate of pay times the
greater of his Minimum Monthly Guarantee (“MMG”) or the sum of the
credits for trip credit value as specified in D., below, deadhead credit, RA
days, RX days, maintenance flights, training, vacation, Home
Study/Computer Based Training (Global Contrails and Winter Operations),
and sick leave.
4. A pilot’s monthly additional pay is his applicable hourly rate of pay times
the credits for trip credit value as specified in D., below, for trips picked
up during the Secondary Line Improvement Window on days off, Junior
Manning assignments, reassignments after original trip termination,
recurrent training and associated travel on a day off, Home
Study/Computer Based Training (all assignments other than Global
Contrails and Winter Operations), drug and alcohol testing, pay for
cancelled vacation, and pay associated with a reserve reassignment into a
day off.
B. Minimum Monthly Guarantee
1. The MMG is 75 hours per bid period, except as otherwise provided in this
agreement.
2. The MMG will be prorated in accordance with Section 21.F.4 if a pilot is
unavailable for a portion of the bid period or misses a trip.
C. Pay/Block Time
A pilot’s block time, for the purposes of pay and credit, is from block-out time to
block-in time. Block-out time occurs at the departure station when the Captain
releases the parking brake and the main cabin door and cargo door are both
closed for the first time. Block-in time occurs at the arrival station, or at the
departure station in the case of a gate or air return, when the main cabin door is
opened for the first time. ALPA and the Company may mutually agree to
changes in this paragraph.
D. Trip Credit Value
1. Trip Pay
a. Except as specified in D.1.b., below, a pilot’s trip pay shall be the
greater of the scheduled (original trip value) or actual block time
(including any deadhead time), calculated by flight segment, and
any applicable credits specified in D.2. and 3., below.
b. If a pilot’s duty period is modified as a result of a reassignment,
cancellation or a sick call, that affected duty period shall be
credited the greater of:
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Section 3 – Compensation
i. the sum of the originally scheduled block times (including
any deadhead time) for the segments in that affected duty
period and any applicable credits listed in D.3., below, or;
ii. the sum of the actual block times (including any deadhead
time), of the segment(s) flown during that affected duty
period and any applicable credits listed in D.3., below.
2. Duty Period Minimum Pay (“DPM”)
a. Except as provided in Section 21.H.8., if a pilot reports for duty,
he shall be credited with a 2 hour duty period minimum.
b. Except when a pilot’s schedule is modified as a result of a bid
period adjustment, vacation adjustment, training adjustment,
leave of absence, sick call, or personal drop, a pilot shall be
credited with a 3 hour duty period minimum for each calendar day
layover.
3. Upon the completion of a pilot’s trip, he shall have any applicable
reposition credit and/or Customs credit added to his trip credit value.
4. Original Trip Value
a. For pay protection purposes, a lineholder’s original trip value is
based on the value of the trip when:
i. the pilot is awarded the trip during the bid award process,
or;
ii. a pilot picks up the trip, or;
iii. a pilot trades for the trip.
b. For pay protection purposes, a reserve pilot’s original trip value is
based on the value of the assigned trip at report time.
5. Except as provided in this Agreement, a pilot who is assigned a 4-day trip
shall be credited a minimum of 15 hours for that trip.
E. Additional Pay
1. Pay for Drug and/or Alcohol Testing – See Section 16.I.2, Drug and
Alcohol Testing.
2. Training
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Section 3 – Compensation
a. Home Study/Computer Based Training – See Section 14.H.5.,
Training.
b. Voluntary Training on a Day Off – See Section 14.H.4., Training.
3. Pick-Up of open time on day(s) off during the Secondary Line
Improvement Window – See Section 21.H.8.d., Scheduling.
4. Pick-Up of Open Time (when reserve coverage in domicile and status is
less than 10%) - See Section 21.A., Scheduling.
5. Junior Manning – A pilot who is Junior Manned shall be paid 150% of his
rate of pay for the greater of the following:
a. 3.75 hours per duty period of the trip or;
b. The pay for the trip as calculated in D., above.
6. Reassignment of a Lineholder – A pilot who is reassigned beyond his
original trip termination time shall be paid at 150% of his rate of pay for
the actual block time beyond his originally scheduled termination time.
7. Lost Days Off
a. Lineholder – See Section 21.K.1. through 3., Scheduling.
b. Reserve Pilot – See Section 21.K.4., Scheduling.
8. Red Flagged Open Time
a. Prior to an open trip’s departure, Crew Planning may red flag that
trip. Red flagged trips may only be picked up by lineholders on
days off and will be credited at the Junior Manning rate.
b. Crew Planning may remove the red flag designation from a trip at
any time prior to a lineholder picking up the trip or a reserve
being assigned the trip.


O. Profit-Sharing
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Section 3 – Compensation
1. The terms “Annual Award Pool,” “Award,” “Employment,” “Participant,”
and “Year” shall be defined as they are in the ExpressJet Airlines, Inc.
Profit Sharing Plan (“Profit Sharing Plan” or “the Plan”).
2. Participation and Sharing of Annual Award Pool
a. Pilots and Flight Instructors shall be participants in the Profit
Sharing Plan for the Year 2005 and all subsequent years of this
Agreement and shall share in the Annual Award Pool in all years
on the same basis as other Participants in accordance with the
provisions of the Plan. The profit sharing for pilots in 2004 will be
prorated from the date of signing of the new agreement until
December 31, 2004. Flight Instructors will receive full profit
sharing for 2004.
b. In accordance with the terms of the Plan, Pilots or Flight
Instructors whose employment ends prior to the last day of the
Year will be non-Participants in the Profit Sharing Plan and will not
share in the Annual Award Pool.
3. Termination of the Profit Sharing Plan
If the Company terminates the Profit Sharing Plan, all hourly aircraft pay
rates in the Agreement shall be increased on a one-time-only basis by
3%. If the Company terminates the Profit Sharing Plan and replaces it
immediately with another plan, the Association will have the option of
such pay rate increase or allowing pilots to participate in the new plan.
These rates will be increased on the effective date of the termination of
the Plan.

 

[Prop Trash]

The whole contract can be seen at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/airlinepilotcontracts/.

 

[Nova]

You have no idea what you are talking about. Those payrates on airlinepilotpay.com on dead-on accurate. Maybe you are living in some sort of fantasy world.

I think he meant that the payrates should be $6-$17 more than we negotiated for not that the posted numbers were incorrect.

 

[MECH]

When I first clicked on the link this morning the numbers were completely wrong. They have been changed, now the only wrong number is in the 401k match. It is 5% not 6%.

But thanks for the civil reply.

 

[Ex737Driver]

Actually it is a 6% ceiling for pilots that have been there for 10 years+

 

[MECH]

Oops you are correct!

 

[cosmotheassman]

How much per diem does a first yr F/O make on average?? or average per diem for everyone??

 

[Ex737Driver]

Per diem is $1.60 an hour for all duty periods. For first year FO, it will depend upon how much you fly and when you are off reserve. With 25 pilots a month leaving to go back to CAL through the end of July, reserve should not be long. An example line for December.........


Line #240

15 days off
Cr = 77h38m (x hourly rate)
BLK = 77h38m (scheduled flying)
TA = 263h27m(x perdiem rate)
4 - 4day trips

A first year fo with this line for December would get paid........

77.63 (convert to 100ths) x 21.50 = $1669.05
263.45" " " " x 1.60 = $421.52
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$2090.57

This is pay only. There are several other sections of this new contract that apply that do add to your bottom line at the end of the year.

 

[Flying Horses]

Apologies

But thanks for the civil reply.

I'm sorry. Maybe I was to blunt. I just was defending the author of that website. You were saying how he was way wrong. That, I thought, was a little harsh. And you were alluding to that CHQ rates are comparable to ExpressJet's new rates minus $17, which is rediculous. CHQ rates are, indeed, virtually identical to ExpressJet's new rates.

Probably, when you checked the site the first time, you were still seeing ExpressJet's old rates.

Again, I am sorry for my extreme words. That was actually not very civil.

 

[FlyChicaga]

Similar pay rates between the two companies is true. ExpressJet looks to be about $1-3 ahead. However, without even diving into the depths of the various other contract differences, look simply at the notes on airlinepilotpay.com between the two companies. A plan, B plan, 401(k) match, Profit Sharing.

 

[KingAirer]

Jr Manning? Commuter clause?

 

[Capt. Caucasian]

Jr Manning? Commuter clause?

Commuter Clause - Yes

Jr Manning - rarely ever happens and when it does there are contractual ways around it

Be glad that we got more than you (assuming you are CHQ) in just about every aspect. That means that you can build off of us next time around, and so on and so fourth. You should always want someone to do better than you in negotiations. Now, I know I will get flamed by someone saying that we did not get higher rates than Comair. However, I will still argue that we got more dollar for dollar. It is just that we are getting those dollars differently.

And that is all I have to say about that.