New DL carrier in CVG

[FlyingDawg]

Chautauqua will start flying to CVG in Delta colors in March.

Mother Delta continues to reduce the effects of any future strikes by any of the connection partners.

 

[DrinkSweetTea]

CMH and BNA seem to be the starting Destinations for CHQ out of CVG.

 

[Richard]

Source?

 

[CHQ Pilot]

Delta's flight schedules for March that are on delta.com

 

[Treme]

Maybe thats why they put up signs on the gates with the frequency for Exceptions and ramp control. Gotta make the CHQ guys feel at home.

Nashville to Cincinnati, March 7, 2004
Depart 8:15pm from Nashville, arriving at 10:17pm in Cincinnati (1:02 total flight time)

Delta 6363 * 8:15pm Nashville (BNA) 10:17pm Cincinnati (CVG) Embraer RJ135

 

[storminpilot]

Don't you think CHQ is coming to town to replace ACA (dba Independence Air), since DALPA has restrictions against "large" aircraft operated by a connection carrier even though it has nothing to do with Delta?

 

[Rotorhead]

Maybe not to replace ACA but to supplement the fact that we have 4 airframes AOG for engines since just after Christmas with no ETA on replacements. 8 engines in the hole, no spares, no deliveries on the horizon. PW has dropped the ball, fallen down, and isn't getting up. I think Delta is just trying to save the schedule, since it likely to get worse. They cut one line of flying yesterday, my guess is due to the engine mess.

 

[46Driver]

Don't you think CHQ is coming to town to replace ACA (dba Independence Air), since DALPA has restrictions against "large" aircraft operated by a connection carrier even though it has nothing to do with Delta?

I still don't think Delta is going to drop ACA simply because of the expense involved of taking over the Dorniers while losing the Pratt and Whitney engine contract at the same time. My bet is ACA continues to fly the Dorniers for Delta Connection for several more years to come.

 

[FDJ2]

DAL won't have to drop ACA until the Airbus is on the property. Perhaps DAL will buy ACA once they get the Airbus, and merge it with Song. This would give Song the separate certificate it wants, this would solve the DoJet problem and if those Airbus orders can all be converted to A319 orders DAL would have the 100 seater it wants flying for a LCC at ACA rates. While the seniority lists would have to be merged, I'm sure there would be fences protecting pilots currently on the DAL list for bidding anything other than the Airbus and DoJet and protecting ACA pilots on those aircraft. Furthermore, if the Airbus order were to expand to between 75 to 100 aircraft, all DAL furloughed pilots would come back, facilitating mid contract concessions and DAL would have a replacement aircraft for the aging 737-200 fleet operated at ACA rates for the next few years under the Song brand. Stranger things have happened, and the silence from DAL, ACA and DALPA on what the future of those DoJets seems odd. Perhaps something is going on behind the scenes. Stay tuned.

 

[DoinTime]

DAL won't have to drop ACA until the Airbus is on the property. Perhaps DAL will buy ACA once they get the Airbus, and merge it with Song. This would give Song the separate certificate it wants, this would solve the DoJet problem and if those Airbus orders can all be converted to A319 orders DAL would have the 100 seater it wants flying for a LCC at ACA rates. While the seniority lists would have to be merged, I'm sure there would be fences protecting pilots currently on the DAL list for bidding anything other than the Airbus and DoJet and protecting ACA pilots on those aircraft. Furthermore, if the Airbus order were to expand to between 75 to 100 aircraft, all DAL furloughed pilots would come back, facilitating mid contract concessions and DAL would have a replacement aircraft for the aging 737-200 fleet operated at ACA rates for the next few years under the Song brand. Stranger things have happened, and the silence from DAL, ACA and DALPA on what the future of those DoJets seems odd. Perhaps something is going on behind the scenes. Stay tuned.

That's a pleasant fiction.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

click your heels together 3 times and say, "There's no place like home...there's no place like home..."

 

[46Driver]

DAL won't have to drop ACA until the Airbus is on the property. Perhaps DAL will buy ACA once they get the Airbus, and merge it with Song. This would give Song the separate certificate it wants, this would solve the DoJet problem and if those Airbus orders can all be converted to A319 orders DAL would have the 100 seater it wants flying for a LCC at ACA rates. While the seniority lists would have to be merged, I'm sure there would be fences protecting pilots currently on the DAL list for bidding anything other than the Airbus and DoJet and protecting ACA pilots on those aircraft. Furthermore, if the Airbus order were to expand to between 75 to 100 aircraft, all DAL furloughed pilots would come back, facilitating mid contract concessions and DAL would have a replacement aircraft for the aging 737-200 fleet operated at ACA rates for the next few years under the Song brand. Stranger things have happened, and the silence from DAL, ACA and DALPA on what the future of those DoJets seems odd. Perhaps something is going on behind the scenes. Stay tuned.

Somehow, I think ASA and Comair pilots would riot in the streets if ACA was merged onto the DAL list.....

 

[FDJ2]

Somehow, I think ASA and Comair pilots would riot in the streets if ACA was merged onto the DAL list.....

Why? ACA would be a carrier flying other than permitted aircraft, like Western. DAL has done it in the past.

 

[House_X]

I still don't think Delta is going to drop ACA simply because of the expense involved of taking over the Dorniers while losing the Pratt and Whitney engine contract at the same time. My bet is ACA continues to fly the Dorniers for Delta Connection for several more years to come.

Several more years??? I hope not!!! You think the Do-jet is a red headed step child now...just wait till we get those Buses...I'll be living in the doghouse fighting for scaps with Fido.

We need to get in that CRJ and get a pay raise. Things can't keep going the way they are...ACA needs to focus on "I".

CHQ will most likely to get the new jets on bid w/ Delta. When you see those CHQ embrears in CVG it will be the beginning of the end.

 

[General Lee]

FDJ2,

I don't know man, I don't know about that one. Maybe...I haven't heard anything close to that in the ATL lounge. That would be interesting.....

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[46Driver]

Several more years??? I hope not!!! You think the Do-jet is a red headed step child now...just wait till we get those Buses...I'll be living in the doghouse fighting for scaps with Fido.

We need to get in that CRJ and get a pay raise. Things can't keep going the way they are...ACA needs to focus on "I".

CHQ will most likely to get the new jets on bid w/ Delta. When you see those CHQ embrears in CVG it will be the beginning of the end.

If we keep the DoJet, that's 300 more pilots than before - that means 150 more captains - all of which make more than the CRJ pay freeze I'm getting now. Just as important as the pay and PIC time are the Delta PPR card benefits, without which it would be very difficult to get to work - Delta rules the South.

Regardless of what I wish for, follow the money and you will get the answer. I believe that Delta wants to maintain the portfolio concept and ACA is a strong, proven carrier. Some will argue that Independence is a competitor to Delta but in reality Independence is fighting USAir, United, JetBlue, and AirTran - all bigger enemies of Delta than ACA. (The concept of: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend...") Also, Delta doesn't want to incur any further losses when it doesn't have to. Therefore, I think you will see Delta, Dalpa, and ACA maintain the status quo in regards to the Dorniers.

 

[Always deferred]

I agree 46,

I believe the FRJ will stay with ACA/Indy in Delta colors for a long time. With the exception of the recent engine issues, the aircraft has performed much better in recent months, passengers like the plane and the service, and the crews do a great service to Delta, esp the FAs. I don't see how DAL can justify to its shareholders buying off the leases on 33 a/c with engine issues just to appease its pilots. Shareholders (as we've seen with recent events) don't care about the relationship between mgmt and union, they just care about making a buck.

 

[FDJ2]

FDJ2,

I don't know man, I don't know about that one. Maybe...I haven't heard anything close to that in the ATL lounge. That would be interesting.....

General, I haven't heard anything similar either, but I'm not sure if it is beyond the realm of plausibility. It would be interesting to see why people think it is not plausible.

 

[General Lee]

FDJ2,

I just don't think we have the cash right now to buy much of anything substantial. I think they are trying to make sure we negotiate our way out of the debt problem safely etc.....We could probably buy smaller things, like some used airplanes etc with our cash on hand, but nothing major. But, I like the way you think---don't go to management and fall over to the dark side on me!

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Wanderer]

Try this one on.....I know this has been speculated by Comair:

Comair takes over the FRJs and the FRJ flying - the FRJs keep the Delta colors, and leave ACA for Comair.

 

[Av8tor]

Try this one on.....I know this has been speculated by Comair:

Comair takes over the FRJs and the FRJ flying - the FRJs keep the Delta colors, and leave ACA for Comair.

Old rumor!!!

 

[Wanderer]

Old rumor!!!

Maybe...but I know of Comair management team members planning for some FRJ flying.

 

[AirBoard]

FDJ2,

I just don't think we have the cash right now to buy much of anything substantial. I think they are trying to make sure we negotiate our way out of the debt problem safely etc.....We could probably buy smaller things, like some used airplanes etc with our cash on hand, but nothing major. :

I think it's only a matter of time before someone amalgamates. Of course many carriers were built by the buy out of others. I'm sure in this next up-swing it wil happen. The question remains who will buy who, what. Interesting times indeed.

 

[Anaconda]

Perhaps DAL will buy ACA once they get the Airbus, and merge it with Song.

take a step back from that crack pipe you've been smoking...

 

[FL000]

Maybe not to replace ACA but to supplement the fact that we have 4 airframes AOG for engines since just after Christmas with no ETA on replacements. 8 engines in the hole, no spares, no deliveries on the horizon. PW has dropped the ball, fallen down, and isn't getting up.

I just ran that through freetranslation.com with no luck. How 'bout in English next time.

 

[46Driver]

We have 4 airplanes down awaiting engines and Pratt and Whitney has been unable to keep up.

In the time span over which our 87 CRJ's have had 24 engines replaced, our 33 Dorniers have had 250 - that's correct 250 - engine changes.

Since the Pratt and Whitney engine contract does not go with the Dorniers if they are transferred to another carrier, you can see why I expect Delta and DALPA to maintain the status quo with ACA despite us getting the AirBus. (Does anybody know what the plural for AirBus is?)

 

[House_X]

We have 4 airplanes down awaiting engines and Pratt and Whitney has been unable to keep up.

In the time span over which our 87 CRJ's have had 24 engines replaced, our 33 Dorniers have had 250 - that's correct 250 - engine changes.

Since the Pratt and Whitney engine contract does not go with the Dorniers if they are transferred to another carrier, you can see why I expect Delta and DALPA to maintain the status quo with ACA despite us getting the AirBus. (Does anybody know what the plural for AirBus is?)

I'm not so convinced...Delta has more lawyers than we have...ANY contract can be broken, breached and/or violated.