New Delta Jumpseat rules

[General Lee]

First of all, the GENERAL VOTED YES? I thought he was all over this board in the last few months talkin' about a "no" vote. Maybe I didn't pay attention, or maybe I was distracted by that avatar he had that took up half the screen.

Second, I am pretty sure jb's js coordinator has contacted DL's js committee. Any jb bubbas? -- please correct if I am wrong. If, and I mean "if", they have a "political" reason for not reciprocating with jb, that's kinda messed up, IMHO.

Hell, I don't even js on DL. But you never know, I may want to go from ATL to KIEV someday ... lol.

Hey, I looked over the whole deal after it came out and decided to vote YES. I could have easily stated on here that I too voted NO, but I did not.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Sonny Crockett]

Hey, I have only seen UAL pilots treated well on us, even if we couldn't offer more than one or two seats. We did the best we could, and if you don't want to allow more than one on your jumpseat, go ahead. I hope you feel great. We pretty much have moved from no jumpseats, to one or two depending on the aircraft, to unlimited for a couple carriers, to unlimited for 7 Majors. Not bad, but we will see if we can continue it more someday. Sorry if you guys at United aren't satisfied....


Bye Bye--General Lee

Weak.....

Just curious as to why UAL bubba's have to wait until Jan 2007? Can someone just answer the question?

Of course we at UAL will bend over backwards to take as many as we can, reguardless if you want to return the favor (I would hope you will return the favor)

 

[General Lee]

Weak.....

Just curious as to why UAL bubba's have to wait until Jan 2007? Can someone just answer the question?

Of course we at UAL will bend over backwards to take as many as we can, reguardless if you want to return the favor (I would hope you will return the favor)

Since rules are rules, I will try to help you by taking the flight attendant jumpseat if you need the cockpit. How's that? Still weak?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[32LT10]

A benefit you just recently got yourself. BTW, I was saying the Lakes guy was whining.... but whatever.

Yes but at UAL we do not have an unlimited and a limited list. You guys seem to want to punish the two carriers that don't have restrictions, US and UA.

Whatever floats your boat. If you can't get it through that this an improvement over what currently exists then then you couldn't be convinced of anything. As for the brotherhood... United plus baby...all the way to the bottom.

If it is an improvement then why make UAL wait 6 months? We did not activate unlimited and then tell DL they had to wait for 6 mos.

Great for you guys. You followed your company procedure that at the time allowed any part 121 and 135 pilot to jumpseat. Guess all the others that could not reciprocate because it was against company policy were jerks too? And I guess our 777 payrates did nothing for you back in 2000? dirty D indeed.

Ugh, actaully no. You are missing a huge fact in this one. Why don't you talk to one of your old timers and ask them what the deal was with the UAL jumpseats back in the day. Oh the DL "dot". Yep, you guys really helped everyone with that one. And the UA stickers on your flight bags looked nice.

 

[32LT10]

Hey, I have only seen UAL pilots treated well on us, even if we couldn't offer more than one or two seats. We did the best we could, and if you don't want to allow more than one on your jumpseat, go ahead. I hope you feel great. We pretty much have moved from no jumpseats, to one or two depending on the aircraft, to unlimited for a couple carriers, to unlimited for 7 Majors. Not bad, but we will see if we can continue it more someday. Sorry if you guys at United aren't satisfied....


Bye Bye--General Lee

I know of several PNS and JAX commuters that would differ with you on this one. To punish fellow ALPA carriers while you reward AA and SWA is just an embarassment. Just glad I no longer commute.

 

[Palomino]

Sounds like Delta's morale is at an all time low. I've always been a DAL fan, but I think the 'Spirit of Delta' truly has flown to the boneyard.

Stay strong, fellas. And thanks for the jumpseats. Keep in mind that DAL only started offering offline jumpseats about 10 years ago. Revolutions takes time. Every DAL ride I've had has been a great experience.

 

[KC-10 Driver]

Okay, enough about you, now let's talk about me...

Seriously,

I actually asked a leading question. The rumor is that DL thought that "unlimited jumpseats" with jb, reciprocity if you will, wasn't possible in today's "current political environment." Whatever that means...

I have heard nothing about this. What I did hear is that Delta was going to unlimited jumpseats. Now, according to this thread, the unlimited seats are only for certain airlines -- supposedly not including JetBlue.

JetBlue does offer unlimited jumpseats to Delta, and to everyone else (including Northwest, but that's been beat to death on this board).

Does anyone have any good information whether JetBlue will be added to Delta's unlimited list? Or, if we are not to be added, why not?

I understand that the answer may be as benign as they looked at the airlines that Delta pilots commute on the most, and simply are adding those airlines first. Or, perhaps the answer is more "political", as the above quoted post implies. Insight would be appreciated

 

[localizer11]

I often use Delta to get to and from work. They have always treated me very well and am gratefull for the rides. However I was disappointed to see the very limited list of unlimited or "flowback" approaved jumpseat carriers. From what I've heard DAL mgt made the jumpseat a bargaining issue. No one can blame DAL pilots for not using negotiating capital to open unlimited jumpseat to all reciprocal carriers.

Southwest and American were put on the unlimited list after the Delta DFW based closed. Look at the new list: all big ALPA carriers, noticealbly absent Airtran, Jetblue, Frontier, and all regionals. If there is anyone on this board from DAL who is in the "know", please tell us the whole story.

 

[Lake Alice]

DL management still takes everything personal. This is the their way of throwing stones in the playground. Pretty childish.

I think we should revoke those unlimitted priviledges for the DL guys/gals but then that wouldn't be the grown up thing to do.

 

[32LT10]

DL management still takes everything personal. This is the their way of throwing stones in the playground. Pretty childish.

I think we should revoke those unlimitted priviledges for the DL guys/gals but then that wouldn't be the grown up thing to do.

Alice,

Stop the presses. On this we agree. And who said this would never happen?

I say UAL yank DL from the unlimited agreement until 1/01/07. I would like to see the other carriers do the same thing. It will only be with pressure applied in the commutes of the DL pilots that this is changed. If anyone needs to grow up and be adults it should be DL. This portioning out of jumpseats is ridiculous.

 

[OffHot]

Why you guys so hard on DL at least they are changing. We (SWA) also do not offer unlimited jumpseat to everyone. We negotiate with each company that also does it, i.e AWA JBLU etc while not doing for AIR TRAN and if memory serves me right NWA. When we reached an agreement with AA it was many months down the road before it took effect.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Alice,

Stop the presses. On this we agree. And who said this would never happen?

I say UAL yank DL from the unlimited agreement until 1/01/07. I would like to see the other carriers do the same thing. It will only be with pressure applied in the commutes of the DL pilots that this is changed. If anyone needs to grow up and be adults it should be DL. This portioning out of jumpseats is ridiculous.

WTFO? Could this be the sign of the second coming? And you (32) haven't even knocked jb on this thread. I am going to buy a lottery ticket right now, wait, what's that honey ... "the kids just dug up Jimmy Hoffa in our sandbox?"

Well sonofagun...

 

[DonVerita]

airtran? that will cost you $30.

First, your name says it all.

Second...don't try to troll up this subject. If you had spent any amount of time on this board following the J/S topic on multiple threads you would be keenly aware that the AirTran pilots despise this crock of $hit management group we have who will spare no expense to make our commuting lives more difficult while we are in contract negotiations.

It is management who imposed the $25 charge for the second and subsequent jumpseater. This WILL go away in the new contract...if we ever get one. In the meantime, when you strut on up to an AirTran gate, just envision yourself at a Delta gate. One jumpseat installed = one jumpseat rider. Two on most of the 737-700's. If some other OAL pilot beat you to it, then just wait for the next flight. That's what would happen to you at Delta and that's what's going to happen to you at AirTran...for now.

 

[RUhiring?]

at DL they get unlimited from us, so that's good enough. Why would the pilots want to spend any kind of negotiating capital to get something that doesn't help them? Giving other airlines unlimited j/s access does NOTHING for the DL pilots because most everyone else already gives THEM unlimited j/s. It's the same at NW....they GET unlimited, but don't OFFER unlimited. For them to say "hey, at least it's something" is a very weak reply. I can't believe that Delta even offers the j/s. Management must have given them that one as a freebee 10 years ago.

I fly for a regional that isn't even mentioned. But putting that aside, why is it that UAL has to wait until Jan 1? WTF? There isn't even any money involved in that decision. Hell, there isn't any money involved in any J/S reciprical agreement. This is where I just don't understand the whole issue of deciding how many j/s to take. Are any of us going to buy a ticket if we get denied a j/s.....of course not.

 

[Capn Mike]

WTFO? Could this be the sign of the second coming? And you (32) haven't even knocked jb on this thread. I am going to buy a lottery ticket right now, wait, what's that honey ... "the kids just dug up Jimmy Hoffa in our sandbox?"

Well sonofagun...

YET. Just give him some time.

 

[32LT10]

YET. Just give him some time.

From what I hear JBLU has a nice jumpseat policy.

 

[GogglesPisano]

From what I hear JBLU has a nice jumpseat policy.

Oh my God. We've entered an alternate universe. Everyone has goatees (for the trekkies here)

 

[Spectre]

Exactly. That's why you all should hope that JetBlue keeps growing and does really well. If JetBlue comes to your city with their unlimited jumpseats, we'd all have easier commutes!

 

[Lake Alice]

Alice,

Stop the presses. On this we agree. And who said this would never happen?

I say UAL yank DL from the unlimited agreement until 1/01/07. I would like to see the other carriers do the same thing. It will only be with pressure applied in the commutes of the DL pilots that this is changed. If anyone needs to grow up and be adults it should be DL. This portioning out of jumpseats is ridiculous.

I didnt' expect this either

Right or wrong I think the DL wants their cake and eat it too. Its like shacking up with your fat, chubby, ugly, (insert adjective here), neighbor. You like the booty call when it suits you but definately not in public.

Lastly, it has to do with a superiority complex.

 

[Benjamin Dover]

First, your name says it all.

Second...don't try to troll up this subject. If you had spent any amount of time on this board following the J/S topic on multiple threads you would be keenly aware that the AirTran pilots despise this crock of $hit management group we have who will spare no expense to make our commuting lives more difficult while we are in contract negotiations.

It is management who imposed the $25 charge for the second and subsequent jumpseater. This WILL go away in the new contract...if we ever get one. In the meantime, when you strut on up to an AirTran gate, just envision yourself at a Delta gate. One jumpseat installed = one jumpseat rider. Two on most of the 737-700's. If some other OAL pilot beat you to it, then just wait for the next flight. That's what would happen to you at Delta and that's what's going to happen to you at AirTran...for now.

Don,

I tried as best as I could to envision myself going to the Delta gate to get on the jumpseat for DELTA's 737-700 - special orders with two jumpseats I am assuming - and it wasn't so bad. Takes the stress off when there is no airplane at DAL such as this ;-)

Been beat up enough on another thread on the whole " who's to blame" js topic. Those that think it's just an easy "flip the switch" request from DALPA, fine - you win. Words here are wasted.

By the way - I went MSY to ATL last year on AirTran (missed my DAL flight), agent said he would overlook the extra $ for add'l JS if capt. was o.k. with it. Capt. was not o.k. with it, so I got the wallet out. Got a ride - sort of unlimitted js - but hardly the lovefest that exists everywhere else except DAL according to this foruml

United Plus!! Or something like that.....

 

[Hutcha]

at DL they get unlimited from us, so that's good enough. Why would the pilots want to spend any kind of negotiating capital to get something that doesn't help them?

Ditto! I've been saying this for years. There is a very small percentage that will fight for something just because they believe it's the right thing to do. The majority you have to push. I would support a reciprocal unlimited J/S policy.