New Delta Jumpseat rules

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Maybe you could save me the hassle and not turn me away when there's 40 open seats in back...

I don't ask you to violate your FOM or company policy so don't ask me to violate mine. Book says I can take 40 CAL guys but not you, that's what the book says. I guess trying to take the initative to get the book changed is too much a hassle for you. Just easier to complain (instead of say... getting your pilot group to jump in with the UAL pilots when that agreement gets negotiated in Jan).

 

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General - DL has had unlimited status on AA for some time now. Why it is not reciprocated with you guys is beyond me. Hopefully it'll get fixed.

73

AA is allowed unlimited status on Delta. It is reciprocated (and I have had 5 AA guys going to PNS).

 

[Lake Alice]

A.) Thanks for hijacking my post and turning it into your own thread
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=80077&page=6 (see where I mentioned this hours before you created this thread)

B.) Are you still drunk from your yes vote? We do in fact have unlimited jumpseats on American. They are excellent to us and you can list by calling ahead and it'll keep track of who called when and put them in the order they called for clearing the "jumpseat" list.


As far as the others whining about why didn't their airline get on the list... hmmm, why don't you be proactive and have your jumpseat committee contact your management and the DAL jumpseat committee and then have your management contact Delta management to get the ball rolling yourself on an agreement? Naw...it's just easier to cry about it then be proactive.

D!ck

Nuff said

 

[Bavarian Chef]

A.) Thanks for hijacking my post and turning it into your own thread
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=80077&page=6 (see where I mentioned this hours before you created this thread)

B.) Are you still drunk from your yes vote? We do in fact have unlimited jumpseats on American. They are excellent to us and you can list by calling ahead and it'll keep track of who called when and put them in the order they called for clearing the "jumpseat" list.


As far as the others whining about why didn't their airline get on the list... hmmm, why don't you be proactive and have your jumpseat committee contact your management and the DAL jumpseat committee and then have your management contact Delta management to get the ball rolling yourself on an agreement? Naw...it's just easier to cry about it then be proactive.

First of all, the GENERAL VOTED YES? I thought he was all over this board in the last few months talkin' about a "no" vote. Maybe I didn't pay attention, or maybe I was distracted by that avatar he had that took up half the screen.

Second, I am pretty sure jb's js coordinator has contacted DL's js committee. Any jb bubbas? -- please correct if I am wrong. If, and I mean "if", they have a "political" reason for not reciprocating with jb, that's kinda messed up, IMHO.

Hell, I don't even js on DL. But you never know, I may want to go from ATL to KIEV someday ... lol.

 

[aa73]

AA is allowed unlimited status on Delta. It is reciprocated (and I have had 5 AA guys going to PNS).

OK, well then that clears it up..... General, you must have gotten some bad info regarding AA.

 

[32LT10]

As far as the others whining about why didn't their airline get on the list... hmmm, why don't you be proactive and have your jumpseat committee contact your management and the DAL jumpseat committee and then have your management contact Delta management to get the ball rolling yourself on an agreement? Naw...it's just easier to cry about it then be proactive.

Whining? You need to wake up and smell the coffee brother. The UAL pilots offer many DAL pilots jumpseats on an unlimited basis and you say we are whining because you shaft us with a January turn on date?

Why don't we just suspend the DL unlimited portion until you can get it through your thick head that there are other carriers carrying your DL pilots on an unlimited basis while you restrict it to our lads. In fact you guys up to this point were only giving unlimited to SWA and AA who the last time I checked were non-ALPA carriers. Thanks for carrying on the brotherhood.

Oh and by the way. I remember back in the day when you guys would not allow jumpseaters at all. What did UAL do for you when you closed the ORD domicile? Well, I will tell you. We as an ALPA carrier agreed to carry your pilots on our jumpseats to help your boys commute out of ORD. I guess we should not have expected anything different from the dirty"D".

 

[FlyingSig]

The UAL pilots offer many DAL pilots jumpseats on an unlimited basis and you say we are whining because you shaft us with a January turn on date?

A benefit you just recently got yourself. BTW, I was saying the Lakes guy was whining.... but whatever.

Why don't we just suspend the DL unlimited portion until you can get it through your thick head that there are other carriers carrying your DL pilots on an unlimited basis while you restrict it to our lads. In fact you guys up to this point were only giving unlimited to SWA and AA who the last time I checked were non-ALPA carriers. Thanks for carrying on the brotherhood.

Whatever floats your boat. If you can't get it through that this an improvement over what currently exists then then you couldn't be convinced of anything. As for the brotherhood... United plus baby...all the way to the bottom.

Oh and by the way. I remember back in the day when you guys would not allow jumpseaters at all. What did UAL do for you when you closed the ORD domicile? Well, I will tell you. We as an ALPA carrier agreed to carry your pilots on our jumpseats to help your boys commute out of ORD. I guess we should not have expected anything different from the dirty"D".

Great for you guys. You followed your company procedure that at the time allowed any part 121 and 135 pilot to jumpseat. Guess all the others that could not reciprocate because it was against company policy were jerks too? And I guess our 777 payrates did nothing for you back in 2000? dirty D indeed.

 

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Second, I am pretty sure jb's js coordinator has contacted DL's js committee. Any jb bubbas? -- please correct if I am wrong. If, and I mean "if", they have a "political" reason for not reciprocating with jb, that's kinda messed up, IMHO.

While js committe's certainly play a role it's up to management to initate a change. If JB management went to Delta management with both js committees playing support roles I think you'd see different results. Of course considering where JB management came from, I'm not sure Dave would make the effort to call Horshack even if it were for the good of the employees (nor would Horshack probably answer his phone).

 

[General Lee]

Whining? You need to wake up and smell the coffee brother. The UAL pilots offer many DAL pilots jumpseats on an unlimited basis and you say we are whining because you shaft us with a January turn on date?

Why don't we just suspend the DL unlimited portion until you can get it through your thick head that there are other carriers carrying your DL pilots on an unlimited basis while you restrict it to our lads. In fact you guys up to this point were only giving unlimited to SWA and AA who the last time I checked were non-ALPA carriers. Thanks for carrying on the brotherhood.

Oh and by the way. I remember back in the day when you guys would not allow jumpseaters at all. What did UAL do for you when you closed the ORD domicile? Well, I will tell you. We as an ALPA carrier agreed to carry your pilots on our jumpseats to help your boys commute out of ORD. I guess we should not have expected anything different from the dirty"D".

Hey, I have only seen UAL pilots treated well on us, even if we couldn't offer more than one or two seats. We did the best we could, and if you don't want to allow more than one on your jumpseat, go ahead. I hope you feel great. We pretty much have moved from no jumpseats, to one or two depending on the aircraft, to unlimited for a couple carriers, to unlimited for 7 Majors. Not bad, but we will see if we can continue it more someday. Sorry if you guys at United aren't satisfied....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[The_Russian]

airtran? that will cost you $30.

HAHA!!

 

[General Lee]

First of all, the GENERAL VOTED YES? I thought he was all over this board in the last few months talkin' about a "no" vote. Maybe I didn't pay attention, or maybe I was distracted by that avatar he had that took up half the screen.

Second, I am pretty sure jb's js coordinator has contacted DL's js committee. Any jb bubbas? -- please correct if I am wrong. If, and I mean "if", they have a "political" reason for not reciprocating with jb, that's kinda messed up, IMHO.

Hell, I don't even js on DL. But you never know, I may want to go from ATL to KIEV someday ... lol.

Hey, I looked over the whole deal after it came out and decided to vote YES. I could have easily stated on here that I too voted NO, but I did not.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Sonny Crockett]

Hey, I have only seen UAL pilots treated well on us, even if we couldn't offer more than one or two seats. We did the best we could, and if you don't want to allow more than one on your jumpseat, go ahead. I hope you feel great. We pretty much have moved from no jumpseats, to one or two depending on the aircraft, to unlimited for a couple carriers, to unlimited for 7 Majors. Not bad, but we will see if we can continue it more someday. Sorry if you guys at United aren't satisfied....


Bye Bye--General Lee

Weak.....

Just curious as to why UAL bubba's have to wait until Jan 2007? Can someone just answer the question?

Of course we at UAL will bend over backwards to take as many as we can, reguardless if you want to return the favor (I would hope you will return the favor)

 

[General Lee]

Weak.....

Just curious as to why UAL bubba's have to wait until Jan 2007? Can someone just answer the question?

Of course we at UAL will bend over backwards to take as many as we can, reguardless if you want to return the favor (I would hope you will return the favor)

Since rules are rules, I will try to help you by taking the flight attendant jumpseat if you need the cockpit. How's that? Still weak?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[32LT10]

A benefit you just recently got yourself. BTW, I was saying the Lakes guy was whining.... but whatever.

Yes but at UAL we do not have an unlimited and a limited list. You guys seem to want to punish the two carriers that don't have restrictions, US and UA.

Whatever floats your boat. If you can't get it through that this an improvement over what currently exists then then you couldn't be convinced of anything. As for the brotherhood... United plus baby...all the way to the bottom.

If it is an improvement then why make UAL wait 6 months? We did not activate unlimited and then tell DL they had to wait for 6 mos.

Great for you guys. You followed your company procedure that at the time allowed any part 121 and 135 pilot to jumpseat. Guess all the others that could not reciprocate because it was against company policy were jerks too? And I guess our 777 payrates did nothing for you back in 2000? dirty D indeed.

Ugh, actaully no. You are missing a huge fact in this one. Why don't you talk to one of your old timers and ask them what the deal was with the UAL jumpseats back in the day. Oh the DL "dot". Yep, you guys really helped everyone with that one. And the UA stickers on your flight bags looked nice.

 

[32LT10]

Hey, I have only seen UAL pilots treated well on us, even if we couldn't offer more than one or two seats. We did the best we could, and if you don't want to allow more than one on your jumpseat, go ahead. I hope you feel great. We pretty much have moved from no jumpseats, to one or two depending on the aircraft, to unlimited for a couple carriers, to unlimited for 7 Majors. Not bad, but we will see if we can continue it more someday. Sorry if you guys at United aren't satisfied....


Bye Bye--General Lee

I know of several PNS and JAX commuters that would differ with you on this one. To punish fellow ALPA carriers while you reward AA and SWA is just an embarassment. Just glad I no longer commute.

 

[Palomino]

Sounds like Delta's morale is at an all time low. I've always been a DAL fan, but I think the 'Spirit of Delta' truly has flown to the boneyard.

Stay strong, fellas. And thanks for the jumpseats. Keep in mind that DAL only started offering offline jumpseats about 10 years ago. Revolutions takes time. Every DAL ride I've had has been a great experience.

 

[KC-10 Driver]

Okay, enough about you, now let's talk about me...

Seriously,

I actually asked a leading question. The rumor is that DL thought that "unlimited jumpseats" with jb, reciprocity if you will, wasn't possible in today's "current political environment." Whatever that means...

I have heard nothing about this. What I did hear is that Delta was going to unlimited jumpseats. Now, according to this thread, the unlimited seats are only for certain airlines -- supposedly not including JetBlue.

JetBlue does offer unlimited jumpseats to Delta, and to everyone else (including Northwest, but that's been beat to death on this board).

Does anyone have any good information whether JetBlue will be added to Delta's unlimited list? Or, if we are not to be added, why not?

I understand that the answer may be as benign as they looked at the airlines that Delta pilots commute on the most, and simply are adding those airlines first. Or, perhaps the answer is more "political", as the above quoted post implies. Insight would be appreciated

 

[localizer11]

I often use Delta to get to and from work. They have always treated me very well and am gratefull for the rides. However I was disappointed to see the very limited list of unlimited or "flowback" approaved jumpseat carriers. From what I've heard DAL mgt made the jumpseat a bargaining issue. No one can blame DAL pilots for not using negotiating capital to open unlimited jumpseat to all reciprocal carriers.

Southwest and American were put on the unlimited list after the Delta DFW based closed. Look at the new list: all big ALPA carriers, noticealbly absent Airtran, Jetblue, Frontier, and all regionals. If there is anyone on this board from DAL who is in the "know", please tell us the whole story.

 

[Lake Alice]

DL management still takes everything personal. This is the their way of throwing stones in the playground. Pretty childish.

I think we should revoke those unlimitted priviledges for the DL guys/gals but then that wouldn't be the grown up thing to do.

 

[32LT10]

DL management still takes everything personal. This is the their way of throwing stones in the playground. Pretty childish.

I think we should revoke those unlimitted priviledges for the DL guys/gals but then that wouldn't be the grown up thing to do.

Alice,

Stop the presses. On this we agree. And who said this would never happen?

I say UAL yank DL from the unlimited agreement until 1/01/07. I would like to see the other carriers do the same thing. It will only be with pressure applied in the commutes of the DL pilots that this is changed. If anyone needs to grow up and be adults it should be DL. This portioning out of jumpseats is ridiculous.