New CS Rumors

[bailout]

It's more of the fact that they can just change whatever they want, whenever they want, without any 'input' from the pilot group.

 

[On Your Six]

Right now 7777 speculation is running wild with this memo. Just take a good look at the proposed basing situation. Everyone got very upset and at the end of it all we are right back where we started. If you get a Sunday start schedule under the new system you will start Sundays and end Saturdays, effectively never having a weekend off. It will probably go very very junior as no one really wants this schedule. I don't even think CS knows exactly where they want to go with this. They appear to very much be in union prevention mode and if they sense this will put the pilot group over the edge I would not be surprised to see the Sunday starts disappear. As always my suggestion to people is an email to the chief pilot. I have sent one already, if you got time to post then you have time to let the boss know what your thoughts are. The company does, however, have a right to seek to be profitable. If this will save money and is awarded in a very straight-forward, fair, seniority based system then I think the company should reserve the right to try to have more efficient and cost effective scheduling so long as it does not compromise safety.

If this is the case, then CS will need to change its promotional video talking about the importance of providing pilots with schedules that don't adversely impact their social lives (you'll hear the line about half way through):

http://www.citationshares.com/about/video.aspx

 

[SKYLAWYER]

If this is the case, then CS will need to change its promotional video talking about the importance of providing pilots with schedules that don't adversely impact their social lives (you'll hear the line about half way through):

http://www.citationshares.com/about/video.aspx

The same video that talks about seniority systems breeding mediocrity? That thing when out the window months ago. Could possibly be a point guys can make to the company.

 

[SKYLAWYER]

FWIW, and I don't want to turn this into a union debate either, the contract for NJA under section 19.2(E) states that no more than 15% of the 7&7 starts (company wide) can not be on a Sunday for that reason. I was on Sunday starts for about a year. I hated it.

I thought you guys might be able to use that if you hate the Sunday as much as I did.

Safe flights,

Thanks fischman, nothing wrong with pointing out facts for discussion and we appreciate it very much. My understanding is that "IF" we utilize Sunday starts is will be with a much smaller percentage of the pilot group. The point I try to make sometimes is that people feel that with representation 0% of our pilots would start on the weekends. That just seems unrealistic to me. Glad to hear you have your weekends back. One major concern I have for junior guys is that if we slow hiring they could be in a crappy schedule for much longer than anticipated.

 

[SKYLAWYER]

It's more of the fact that they can just change whatever they want, whenever they want, without any 'input' from the pilot group.

This is the only real valid argument I have heard for seeking representation. If this is what bothers you then sending in your card will give you the result that you are looking for. I don't think it will change much about what has happened with us so far, but it would give the pilots a voice in the process.

 

[7777]

You have to pay your dues as the new guy/gal. That is going to be the case with any job. In the military, civilian world, it doesn't matter. The 'cherry' has to know he/she will have to do this. No problems there for me.

CS appears to always be implementing ways to improve, while remaining profitable and doing it in a way that considers the outcome for everyone. I REALLY like that.

I am fairly certain the folks in management have their reasons for this. I enjoy watching this company adjust for the economy, growth and all while working with their people. This would be an interesting company to cover in a college business class.

 

[On Your Six]

Not providing a few full weekends to pilots per month would run contrary to what they say about offering competitive QOL. Simple as that.

 

[flagshipper]

CS appears to always be implementing ways to improve, while remaining profitable and doing it in a way that considers the outcome for everyone. I REALLY like that.

While I am sure CSM appreciates your praise we are NOT profitable and never have been. They say by 2009 we might be breaking even. They are in union prevention mode and in NJ wannabe mode sort of rolled up in one. They are businessman and they want to make money but they, like most airline mgmt, know unhappy employees can cost the company a lot more money in the end.

 

[7777]

I am praising the company for trying to improve. If they are in the union prevention mode, oh well. They are still doing this without a union and that, in my mind, shows a company that is trying. Can't fault them for that.

They raised your pay, lowered your duty day, ect.. They also lowered the bases they are hiring into but haven't eliminated them altogether. The fact some may have to work weekends for awhile is ruffling feathers...understandably but you have to pay the price to remain effective in this economy and that, is what I 'perceive' is happening.

I do believe the NetJets folks have raised the bar for everyone and they are reacting....can't fault them for that. I am unsure if they have needed that type of proding (spelling?) in the past to do the same, have they?

What is it that has you concerned? I have searched some of your other posts and suspect you are wanting to fly for NetJets. What is it that seperates CS and their efforts to make life better from NetJets, in your opinion.

For the record, I have spent the last 20+ years in the military and haven't got a dog in this fight but have pretty much made up my mind CS is a company I would LOVE to work for when I do retire. Everyone of their pilots that I have met on the road has been very nice, loved the job and very accomodating when I have asked to view their airplanes. The company seems to be trying to improve and all without the pushing of a union (good or bad, that is speculation for me).

Just curious.

 

[SKYLAWYER]

Not providing a few full weekends to pilots per month would run contrary to what they say about offering competitive QOL. Simple as that.

Explain to me how exactly it is not competitive. Find me another Fractional that is competitive in pay and benefits that is currently providing full weekends to all the pilots.