new crew rest rules

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Obama, as well as all the other Republicans and Democrats are VERY labour friendly, when they are trying to get you to vote for them. Once the election is over, they are also labour friendly, until it gets in the way of any money!

cliff
LAS

 

[jtf]

So I guess we're just going to have to hope for another disaster soon before they finalize watered-down rules if we want the government to get enough pressure to move beyond the $. I guess the poor suckers who have to ride around on the airlines just aint worth that much overall if we are willing to justify not paying for safety. I know the government officials who make make the rules don't fly on the airlines so I guess they don't care.

 

[Volasl]

You say that "any" airline that says safety is #1 is full of sh!t? Question for you; do you get paid if you call in fatigued? At my airline we do so I believe safety is #1 at least where I work.

Seriously, that is your argument? Im guessing you are Southwest and went there straight from the military thus bypassing a regional. Regional pilots have been threatened for years with their jobs for fatigue or mx issues.

Having been at a major myself, is it any different really? Hmmm lets just MEL this ....Hmmm dont have time to fix that today....45 min reserve is plenty of fuel into ORD....Fines for safety at virtually every airline including yours.

So while you may get paid for calling in fatigued im sure you will have to fill out a form and speak to the chief pilot. This will be in your record also. Is this intimidation or do they really care about safety?

 

[MILPILOT17]

Seriously, that is your argument? Im guessing you are Southwest and went there straight from the military thus bypassing a regional. Regional pilots have been threatened for years with their jobs for fatigue or mx issues.

Having been at a major myself, is it any different really? Hmmm lets just MEL this ....Hmmm dont have time to fix that today....45 min reserve is plenty of fuel into ORD....Fines for safety at virtually every airline including yours.

So while you may get paid for calling in fatigued im sure you will have to fill out a form and speak to the chief pilot. This will be in your record also. Is this intimidation or do they really care about safety?

Grow a pair and stop crying like a little girl! Do the right thing and don't worry about who's going to question you. If you don't like the way you're treated by your company then go find another job. Bottom line, don't be a PU$$Y! Oh, and yes safety is #1.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Grow a pair and stop crying like a little girl! Do the right thing and don't worry about who's going to question you. If you don't like the way you're treated by your company then go find another job. Bottom line, don't be a PU$$Y! Oh, and yes safety is #1.

You might be Capt. America, but try telling that to a new regional FO, on reserve, on probation, on the phone with sked or the CP.

I did it, but I've flown with many who wouldn't.

 

[slaquer5]

Grow a pair and stop crying like a little girl! Do the right thing and don't worry about who's going to question you. If you don't like the way you're treated by your company then go find another job. Bottom line, don't be a PU$$Y! Oh, and yes safety is #1.

Brother , I think your out of line and do not realize how good you have it at SWA . You can call in fatigued on line and you do not have to answer to anyone nor would anyone question you. Some other places the recourse , I am sure would be intimidation, at the least. ( You have nothing to loose, some of these guys do) . Kind of like telling your neighbor to tell his boss he wants a 50 % raise or quit. He would be out of a job and you would still have lost nothing.


Last of all I cant stand when someone says go some where else. So if you do not like what the government is doing with the military ,should you just leave the country? Rant off

 

[MILPILOT17]

Brother , I think your out of line and do not realize how good you have it at SWA . You can call in fatigued on line and you do not have to answer to anyone nor would anyone question you. Some other places the recourse , I am sure would be intimidation, at the least. ( You have nothing to loose, some of these guys do) . Kind of like telling your neighbor to tell his boss he wants a 50 % raise or quit. He would be out of a job and you would still have lost nothing.


Last of all I cant stand when someone says go some where else. So if you do not like what the government is doing with the military ,should you just leave the country? Rant off

Sorry you think I'm out of line, but if I worked for a company or the Government and didn't believe in or like the conditions then I would seek other employment; simple as that. If you just except something that you know is not right then you are contributing to the problem. Would you fly an airplane that you felt was not airworthy just because the Captain told you to? I didn't think so. By the way, I have a lot to loose, but that won't stop me from doing the right thing.

 

[Volasl]

Grow a pair and stop crying like a little girl! Do the right thing and don't worry about who's going to question you. If you don't like the way you're treated by your company then go find another job. Bottom line, don't be a PU$$Y! Oh, and yes safety is #1.

I love tough guys on the internet. Trust me I do the right thing Capt America.

 

[MILPILOT17]

I love tough guys on the internet. Trust me I do the right thing Capt America.

I'm sure you do.

 

[Whine Lover]

Quality is Job 1....Oh wait, Sorry wrong forum.






YKMKR

 

[Tripower455]

If anyone was seriously concerned about pilots being tired, then reduced rest should be made illegal immediately. Also, scratch out the "transportation local in nature is considered rest". This should be done NOW. Worry about the other stuff later.

-CF

Agreed. Add in some provisions for circadian rhythm, as in no more PM turn AM with added insult of reduced rest.

As a die hard PM type, I am generally unable to fall asleep until 0200ish, so those 0600 wakeups on unscheduled reroutes are beyond painful.

 

[slaquer5]

Sorry you think I'm out of line, but if I worked for a company or the Government and didn't believe in or like the conditions then I would seek other employment; simple as that. If you just except something that you know is not right then you are contributing to the problem. Would you fly an airplane that you felt was not airworthy just because the Captain told you to? I didn't think so. By the way, I have a lot to loose, but that won't stop me from doing the right thing.

That is easy to say when you have one of the best seats in the house. IMO. Also at a younger age I have flown a/c that I should not have.

 

[waveflyer]

Grow a pair and stop crying like a little girl! Do the right thing and don't worry about who's going to question you. If you don't like the way you're treated by your company then go find another job. Bottom line, don't be a PU$$Y! Oh, and yes safety is #1.

All due respect- you don't know what you are talking about-

 

[MILPILOT17]

All due respect- you don't know what you are talking about-

I know exactly what I'm talking about. I don't understand what's so hard to understand about it? Is it really that hard to just do the right thing? What do those people in the back expect you to do? What do you expect of someone when your family is in the back? Did you tell them at the interview that you don't think saftey is #1 and for them to not expect you to do the right thing?

 

[FlyinGuy]

It is your life and your ticket. At some point in our careers, we have all landed and breathed a sigh of relief. The issue is if you continue to come to work knowing that you are putting your life/ticket on the line just to get some hours.