new crew rest rules

[ASA Captain]

I assume this is headed for the legal language blender. Vague language that looks as if it does something but will not change rest rules. If we didn't have the Whitlow 16 hour "interpretation" we would still be pushing the limits on duty day and aiming for more accidents.

To fix the problem would take a certain fortitude the FAA doesn't have and cooperation from the airlines they won't get. There is no justified argument from the airlines. They will all have to follow the same rules so it will cost the same to each competitor. The only justification they have is profit margin and wall street pressure. Raise your ticket prices or more people will die. Plain as day.

 

[Skippy]

isnt this delay number 3 now GMAFB!

 

[cessnapilot]

It wouldn’t hurt to fill out the email form of your representative also…

http://www.house.gov/zip/ZIP2Rep.html

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm?OrderBy=state&Sort=ASC

 

[MILPILOT17]

Hard to say if this will ever be resolved adequately. It is obvious that the politicians and airline management are more interested in "cost" than safety. Any airline that claims that saftey is their number 1 priority is full of sh*t. Otherwise this fatigue issue would have been resolved years ago when crew fatigue was first issued as a cause of an accident. Here we are, decades later with the same outdated and ineffective rules and the same nefarious management teams, pushing us so as not to impact their completion factor. I had high hopes for a real overhaul of the system, but the above report shows that we are seemingly stuck with the same old same old.

You say that "any" airline that says safety is #1 is full of sh!t? Question for you; do you get paid if you call in fatigued? At my airline we do so I believe safety is #1 at least where I work.

 

[Soverytired]

Let's see, I thought this administration was supposed to be "labor-friendly."

And here they taking the side of big business.


FAA...OMB...ALPA...SOS...LOL

"Thug" labor (SEIU), yes.

"Professional" labor (ALPA), no. . .unless you're a government union; teacher, firefighters, etc.

Besides, pilots may donate millions to the dude and his party through their unions, but they vote in large numbers for (R). Ignoring ALPA isn't exactly going to cost him jack squat, and he knows it. Kinda like ignoring certain minority groups, who vote en masse for (D) no matter what.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Obama, as well as all the other Republicans and Democrats are VERY labour friendly, when they are trying to get you to vote for them. Once the election is over, they are also labour friendly, until it gets in the way of any money!

cliff
LAS

 

[jtf]

So I guess we're just going to have to hope for another disaster soon before they finalize watered-down rules if we want the government to get enough pressure to move beyond the $. I guess the poor suckers who have to ride around on the airlines just aint worth that much overall if we are willing to justify not paying for safety. I know the government officials who make make the rules don't fly on the airlines so I guess they don't care.

 

[Volasl]

You say that "any" airline that says safety is #1 is full of sh!t? Question for you; do you get paid if you call in fatigued? At my airline we do so I believe safety is #1 at least where I work.

Seriously, that is your argument? Im guessing you are Southwest and went there straight from the military thus bypassing a regional. Regional pilots have been threatened for years with their jobs for fatigue or mx issues.

Having been at a major myself, is it any different really? Hmmm lets just MEL this ....Hmmm dont have time to fix that today....45 min reserve is plenty of fuel into ORD....Fines for safety at virtually every airline including yours.

So while you may get paid for calling in fatigued im sure you will have to fill out a form and speak to the chief pilot. This will be in your record also. Is this intimidation or do they really care about safety?

 

[MILPILOT17]

Seriously, that is your argument? Im guessing you are Southwest and went there straight from the military thus bypassing a regional. Regional pilots have been threatened for years with their jobs for fatigue or mx issues.

Having been at a major myself, is it any different really? Hmmm lets just MEL this ....Hmmm dont have time to fix that today....45 min reserve is plenty of fuel into ORD....Fines for safety at virtually every airline including yours.

So while you may get paid for calling in fatigued im sure you will have to fill out a form and speak to the chief pilot. This will be in your record also. Is this intimidation or do they really care about safety?

Grow a pair and stop crying like a little girl! Do the right thing and don't worry about who's going to question you. If you don't like the way you're treated by your company then go find another job. Bottom line, don't be a PU$$Y! Oh, and yes safety is #1.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Grow a pair and stop crying like a little girl! Do the right thing and don't worry about who's going to question you. If you don't like the way you're treated by your company then go find another job. Bottom line, don't be a PU$$Y! Oh, and yes safety is #1.

You might be Capt. America, but try telling that to a new regional FO, on reserve, on probation, on the phone with sked or the CP.

I did it, but I've flown with many who wouldn't.