new crew rest rules

[slaquer5]

Grow a pair and stop crying like a little girl! Do the right thing and don't worry about who's going to question you. If you don't like the way you're treated by your company then go find another job. Bottom line, don't be a PU$$Y! Oh, and yes safety is #1.

Brother , I think your out of line and do not realize how good you have it at SWA . You can call in fatigued on line and you do not have to answer to anyone nor would anyone question you. Some other places the recourse , I am sure would be intimidation, at the least. ( You have nothing to loose, some of these guys do) . Kind of like telling your neighbor to tell his boss he wants a 50 % raise or quit. He would be out of a job and you would still have lost nothing.


Last of all I cant stand when someone says go some where else. So if you do not like what the government is doing with the military ,should you just leave the country? Rant off

 

[MILPILOT17]

Brother , I think your out of line and do not realize how good you have it at SWA . You can call in fatigued on line and you do not have to answer to anyone nor would anyone question you. Some other places the recourse , I am sure would be intimidation, at the least. ( You have nothing to loose, some of these guys do) . Kind of like telling your neighbor to tell his boss he wants a 50 % raise or quit. He would be out of a job and you would still have lost nothing.


Last of all I cant stand when someone says go some where else. So if you do not like what the government is doing with the military ,should you just leave the country? Rant off

Sorry you think I'm out of line, but if I worked for a company or the Government and didn't believe in or like the conditions then I would seek other employment; simple as that. If you just except something that you know is not right then you are contributing to the problem. Would you fly an airplane that you felt was not airworthy just because the Captain told you to? I didn't think so. By the way, I have a lot to loose, but that won't stop me from doing the right thing.

 

[Volasl]

Grow a pair and stop crying like a little girl! Do the right thing and don't worry about who's going to question you. If you don't like the way you're treated by your company then go find another job. Bottom line, don't be a PU$$Y! Oh, and yes safety is #1.

I love tough guys on the internet. Trust me I do the right thing Capt America.

 

[MILPILOT17]

I love tough guys on the internet. Trust me I do the right thing Capt America.

I'm sure you do.

 

[Whine Lover]

Quality is Job 1....Oh wait, Sorry wrong forum.






YKMKR

 

[Tripower455]

If anyone was seriously concerned about pilots being tired, then reduced rest should be made illegal immediately. Also, scratch out the "transportation local in nature is considered rest". This should be done NOW. Worry about the other stuff later.

-CF

Agreed. Add in some provisions for circadian rhythm, as in no more PM turn AM with added insult of reduced rest.

As a die hard PM type, I am generally unable to fall asleep until 0200ish, so those 0600 wakeups on unscheduled reroutes are beyond painful.

 

[slaquer5]

Sorry you think I'm out of line, but if I worked for a company or the Government and didn't believe in or like the conditions then I would seek other employment; simple as that. If you just except something that you know is not right then you are contributing to the problem. Would you fly an airplane that you felt was not airworthy just because the Captain told you to? I didn't think so. By the way, I have a lot to loose, but that won't stop me from doing the right thing.

That is easy to say when you have one of the best seats in the house. IMO. Also at a younger age I have flown a/c that I should not have.

 

[waveflyer]

Grow a pair and stop crying like a little girl! Do the right thing and don't worry about who's going to question you. If you don't like the way you're treated by your company then go find another job. Bottom line, don't be a PU$$Y! Oh, and yes safety is #1.

All due respect- you don't know what you are talking about-

 

[MILPILOT17]

All due respect- you don't know what you are talking about-

I know exactly what I'm talking about. I don't understand what's so hard to understand about it? Is it really that hard to just do the right thing? What do those people in the back expect you to do? What do you expect of someone when your family is in the back? Did you tell them at the interview that you don't think saftey is #1 and for them to not expect you to do the right thing?

 

[FlyinGuy]

It is your life and your ticket. At some point in our careers, we have all landed and breathed a sigh of relief. The issue is if you continue to come to work knowing that you are putting your life/ticket on the line just to get some hours.

 

[ackattacker]

Let's see, I thought this administration was supposed to be "labor-friendly."

And here they taking the side of big business.

Sounds familiar.

Same whore. Different party name.



FAA...OMB...ALPA...SOS...LOL

Administrations change, the lobbyists stay the same.

 

[waveflyer]

I know exactly what I'm talking about. I don't understand what's so hard to understand about it? Is it really that hard to just do the right thing? What do those people in the back expect you to do? What do you expect of someone when your family is in the back? Did you tell them at the interview that you don't think saftey is #1 and for them to not expect you to do the right thing?

Read the Colgan CEOs comments after buffalo.

It was very clear that if it's legal, he fully expected pilots to be rested and ready to go.

I don't disagree with you. It Just seems clear from your posts MIL that you've never flown a schedule that puts you right at the edge of FARs and what your body is capable of.

If you've ever heard the story of someone who's been fired at one of these small carriers- it's not a fun career from that point on--- it can often lead to doing something else- there are companies out there where the level of
intimidation is huge- and whose pilots are mostly young and fighting for a career- there's a lot more to it. Calling in fatigued is not usually accepted at places where it really needs to be. And you often don't get paid, and don't make enough to take the hit.

 

[MILPILOT17]

Read the Colgan CEOs comments after buffalo.


That crash is what I'm talking about. A great reason to put safety #1 and do the right thing.




It Just seems clear from your posts MIL that you've never flown a schedule that puts you right at the edge of FARs and what your body is capable of.


Thanks for the laugh!

 

[JAFI]

Does the phrase "Beating a dead horse" come to mind. Trying to educate some one who has no clue what you are talking about and wants to stay that way is . . . . . . .See above.

 

[chignutsak]

Grow a pair and stop crying like a little girl! Do the right thing and don't worry about who's going to question you. If you don't like the way you're treated by your company then go find another job. Bottom line, don't be a PU$$Y! Oh, and yes safety is #1.

Yawn. Man am I tired.

 

[MILPILOT17]

Yawn. Man am I tired.

Me too; going to get some sleep now. See ya.

 

[Smarta$$]

"Thug" labor (SEIU), yes.

"Professional" labor (ALPA), no. . .unless you're a government union; teacher, firefighters, etc.

Besides, pilots may donate millions to the dude and his party through their unions, but they vote in large numbers for (R). Ignoring ALPA isn't exactly going to cost him jack squat, and he knows it. Kinda like ignoring certain minority groups, who vote en masse for (D) no matter what.

Well than we pilots should not expect any favorable treatment from the President. He might as well side with airline management since that is what the pilots votes do. If we vote for airline managements priorities, that is what he should give us.

 

[dillfer]

Grow a pair and stop crying like a little girl! Do the right thing and don't worry about who's going to question you. If you don't like the way you're treated by your company then go find another job. Bottom line, don't be a PU$$Y! Oh, and yes safety is #1.

Ignorance is bliss. And a guy who has never had a real job in this industry is very ignorant.

 

[Skank]

I kind of like a very simple minimum of 10 hours rest commencing 1 hour after block in and ending 1 hour prior to scheduled takeoff. If the duty day exceeds 12 hours, the minimum is 1 hour rest per previous day hour of duty. It's about the rest period, not the work period.

How about the multiple body clock reversals that can occur within a 4 day trip. Then it is about the duty period. There needs to be some way to compensate for going from night sleeps to day sleeps.

 

[Splert]

How about the multiple body clock reversals that can occur within a 4 day trip. Then it is about the duty period. There needs to be some way to compensate for going from night sleeps to day sleeps.

My favorite is the 3 hour duty period then day sleep to a red eye to a day sleep to a PM yo sleep to an AM to a day sleep to a red eye.

FOL (8:00am - 03:30pn T-Th office guys) say we love these trips.