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NEW Colgan Memo... YGBFSM!!! WTF!!!

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Flight and Duty Time regulations have been a very sensitive topic for all of us the last several months. Colgan Air has been fully engaged with our local FAA FSDO to work out the issues in a collaborative effort. We are pleased to advise you many issues regarding 121.471 have been resolved. One major area 121.471(g) - the FAA agrees that a flight crewmember can go over 8 hrs of flight time in 24 hours under certain conditions. Conditions are:
1. Circumstances beyond the control of Colgan Air such as ATC, Weather, and Diversions (not last leg - anytime during the day).
2. Your original schedule has not been modified where it would put you over 8 hours. Example, your original schedule is 4.3 hrs and your actual projection for the day is still 4.3 hrs. During the day your schedule is modified and added 2.0 hrs block time for a total of 6.3 hours
projected for that day. No issue, you can still exceed 8 hours due to circumstances beyond the control of the operator.


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Crews that go over 8 hours of flight time, Colgan Air will keep a record on reasons why. This will protect Colgan Air and the applicable flight crew.
Additionally, if on the last day (not last flight) a pilot was approaching the weekly, monthly or annual maximum flight times (scheduled correctly to not exceed limitation), if circumstances beyond the control of the operator causes the pilot to go over these maximums, it is fully in compliance with the regulations.
The other item is regarding Part 91, tail end ferry. The interpretation is clear that Part 91 flying is not subject to 121 Duty Time Rules. Part 91 is not subject to 8 hrs or 16 hour duty day.
However, common sense and in the interest of Safety, Colgan Air will prohibit any flight activity
when duty will exceed 18 hours. Currently Colgan Air is working to finalizing a Risk Assessment
Tool for all repositioning and ferry flights. After any tail end Part 91 flying adequate rest must be accomplished prior to next 121 flight duties.
Since Flight and Duty time regulations are very difficult to interpret and apply, one of the best documents I have studied is the ALPA “Guide to Flight Time Limitations and Rest Requirements”, 6-A edition, June 2004. This document supports FAA Legal Interpretations and is in-line with airline industry practices. Please check the ALPA website to obtain a copy which provides excellent clarity by means of Q&A’s. This document will provide you proper guidance to comply with 121.471, including accurate guidance on the limited conditions which allow more than 8 hours of flight time within 24 hours.



Thank you for your support and understanding in this very important matter.




And they wonder why morale is low?


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zasca

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God you Colgan guys are lame, no duty limit in your contract? Is there even a contract?
 

ACL65PILOT

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FWIW I am 99% sure that this is a proprietary memo. What that means is you can get in deep deep do do for having it up here. Just a word of caution.
Like most companies I am sure it is copyright protected et al.
 

bizicmo

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FWIW I am 99% sure that this is a proprietary memo. What that means is you can get in deep deep do do for having it up here. Just a word of caution.
Like most companies I am sure it is copyright protected et al.

whistleblower
 

ace6453

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if anyone is flying tail end ferries that takes you up to 18 hours of duty you are an idiot! 18 hours of duty is beyond ridiculous.
 

Afraid to Fly

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V1,

I was pissed off about this as well and called my rep today about it. He said that they are on top of it and will be putting out something late tonight or tommorow concerning this.
 

dcfu69

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HM is a spineless F**%! .... Well for that matter most of HEF mgt is. ANYONE who would actually go to 18hrs duty is dumb. I will be droppin the F word on them if they pull this ********************.
 

deadstick

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50 dead isn't enough, I guess. After all, they are only risking 4 lives, right? Unless, of course it plows into a grade school. I just don't get it.

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mynameisjim

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50 dead isn't enough, I guess. After all, they are only risking 4 lives, right? Unless, of course it plows into a grade school. I just don't get it.

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<email> callin'BS@cnn.com

Actually they have a handy form on their website, that way you don't have to give your name or email address.
 

suupah

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Actually they have a handy form on their website, that way you don't have to give your name or email address.

Please post link here so we can all keep everyone in the loop on this circus show aka CJC
 
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