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OK you're looking for one (1) airplane to start your business and I really think it should be a Lockheed Constellation. Youre talking about going into business against Fed-ex, UPS, etc. and this one airplane would Out-SEXY them to beat the band. You have money you said... and this would make thier mojo very 3 inches if you know what i mean....
Look out Freight World! This child is HOT!

PS, I'll come fly that sexy beast for a mere 45k/year. PM me and I'll send you my resume. :)
 
Go to college, major in business.

Get a job with an air freight company to learn the business well.

Then consider starting a biz.
 
Don't forget about buying all of that Prop Wash. That stuff is pretty expensive too.
 
It's too late for the boots, save the
watch!

Even with $400M, you won't be able to
butt heads with UPS, Fedex, DHL, or
maybe what is left of KittyHawk...why?

You don't have the contracts, ground equip,
or any established routes/infrastructure
established. UPS operated as a ground
only operation, then leased aviation
services before starting their own flt dept.

You do have an idea...which is exactly
where the aformentioned outfits were
back in the dark ages. Problem is it
ain't new, and there are a bunch of
people doing it in every type of A/C
conceivable.

You need to come up with how your new
company will do things so much better
that you can get an edge, and figure out
what you are trying to do before you go
looking for an aircraft type. What market
do you want to get into? Non aligned?
On demand? Schedualed and integrated?
 
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TxPilot0878, I checked around for sites, I picked a few and this is one of them. I am trying to get a business going, part of being in business is to know your business. Air Freight isn't anything without it's planes, Pilots, mechanics, probably better then anyone, except possibly the engineer.

I am really am trying, I went to Umass Amherst yesturday and got a few books out on Air Freight. I am going to start making an expense chart for what exactly I need. Then formulating an Income chart.

I never said I was expert in this feild, and am trying to learn as much as possible.

Now, a number of you said Fed Ex and UPS will blow you out of the water, and you need a nitch. Well **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** straight I do. So I will be looking for a nitch, through customer service, calling up different companies, and asking what they would like to see out of UPS and Fed Ex, and also talking to a fe of my friends as well.

Now, I was more concerned with costs and finances and stuff, but I guess your right blechfire, it is definately time for me to figure out what I want to ship. I was thinking computer parts, and honestly, I never put a damper on anything. However, I wouldn't go looking for anything, like shipping packages to grandma (like Fed Ex and UPS), I was thinking more company or government shipping, but I would not be against shipping some of UPS's things if they ran out of room on a certian flight or something, as long as it was worth my time.

Also, I was thinking of nitches, and Half day shipping seems decent, but I definately need better, as you guys mentioned. I have people working on this as we speak.

Contracts and stuff all go through agents now, but I was going to try to get back in touch with businesses, call them up and ask if we could ship there things and negotiate something.

This part of the business is really kindof fuzzy to me, but I figured it would be polite and such to call up, directly instead of working through an agent. However, i would for some odd jobs. I am not totally positive. However, I know it goes into detail on this in those books I have so I will read them. However, until then I would be ahppy to hear anything you would like to say about this subject and about air freight in general.

TonyC, I know a spell bad, and have bad grammer online, it is because I am on the run a lot back and forth from places, but in school, I definately do not spell like this, and I actually reread what I right in school, and do grammer checks and spelling checks.
 
xfr8dog, can I fly that connie with you?

Hey kid, the best advice that came out of here is go to school, read about Mr. Smith and go from there. FedEx almost didn't make it except for some really shaddy deals...and he was the first to do it in airplanes for the most part. If you got a better idea than Fred's, you better be really well funded.

If you really want to know more about this industry try to get an internship with a freight company. There is a lot of competion out there in all aspects (scheduled, on demand, charter...etc.)

Get a summer job at some frieght company, that is your best bet.
 
What the heck is this "nitch" thing this kid keeps talking about looking for? Is it some kind of furry animal? Or perhaps it's some new hip-hop thing?

I'm puzzled...


As for the freight thing...find your niche and I'm sure you'll be a billionaire in no time.
 
I still think you're an adult "funning" us but in case you are for real, allow me to provide you with some advice. (Worth what you paid for it.)

I was going to say polishing your communication skills and completing your education should be your priority, but I've re-read your posts and my question to you is this: Is English your second language? If so, I think I understand your situation much better. (And please ignore my next paragraph:))

If English is your native tongue, then dude, you have some major problems. While I think it's wonderful that you want to start a business, your posts suggest an intellect inacapable of succeeding as an entreprenuer. Please understand that I don't mean that as an insult, read my last sentence carefully, with an emphasis on the word suggest. I'm not saying you're not smart, you may very well be more intelligent than I, but your lack of ability to clearly communicate will prevent you from ever being successful on the scale you imagine. Like others have said, instead of putting the cart before the horse, concentrate first on educating yourself and polishing your comm skills, then worry about starting an airline. Again please disregard this paragraph if English is a second language to you.

Secondly, your comment concerning polling FedEx/UPS customers to find out: "what they would like to see." Man, get real. These organizations pickup your packages and deliver them almost anywhere in the world in less than 36 hours AT THE MOST, what's not to like? If your idea for a business model was feasible, some billionaire would have done it already. One could not ever build an organization capable of competing profitably, even with unlimited funds. How serious are these freight operations about their customers? I once flew an extra hour and forty five minutes in a Cessna Caravan (1.2M asset) to deliver a missorted DHL letter. One envelope! They would rather spend one thousand dollars than have a single upset customer if they can avoid it. Abex, FedEx, and UPS are the same.

There's no reason you can't suceed in business, but you have to set your sights a bit lower. My boss was 21 years old with no colateral when he talked a banker out of 4 million dollar loan to purchase his first Learjet. He now owns a large FBO and charter company at the age of 36. All self-made. But he had to do the legwork first. By 21 he had an A&P (airplane mechanic) and most of his pilot's certificates and several thousand hours of flying time, hauling freight then rock n' roll groups on tour.

I'm not trying to discourage you, to borrow a phrase, I wish you success!
 
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Another point!

If you are well read and I know you are...you can deliver packages for UPS!! When they are overextended or loaded all you have to do is look it up on the web...and if you deliver it you get like 50% of the delivery charge...if you were so interested and well read you wouldn't have stated

"I never said I was expert in this feild, and am trying to learn as much as possible."

"but I would not be against shipping some of UPS's things if they ran out of room on a certian flight or something, as long as it was worth my time."

Well if they (UPS) pays you for delivering their stuff then I am going to say it is definitely worth your time...and secondly here is to you learning as much as possible!!!

HEY FLYBROWNTAILS....you just might be on to something!!!

Tex
 
How many licks does it take to bite into the center of a tootsie roll lolly pop?
 
That all depends!

Whats her name...and maybe I can tell you!

Tex
 
waspe, can I pay you a compliment? Get your college degrees out of the way and work your way towards Memphis or "Lou-a-ville". I'm sure you can find a very rewarding slot with either one of those companies, or even ABX and all three of those companies appreciate people that can help them become more competitive.

Your drive and desire will go a long way towards your pursuit in a career involving the freight industry. Keep up the hard work!

As far as starting something new...as a proud feeder foot soldier, I can only repeat...
All your boxes are belong to us
Good luck dude!:)
 
How many licks does it take to bite into the center of a tootsie roll lolly pop?
Mmmmmm....lolly pops.
 
YESSSSSSSSSSSSS!

April...I believe that was 335 licks...kinda lost count. But I know she liked Bar-B-Que!!!

Tex
 
Like I said, I know, I am not that good at writing in english when I don't actually check my writing over again.

However, I am a pretty good talker.

I actually might have found a nitch, but it involves me not starting a Air freight industry right away, and starting another type of business to go along with the Air freight business, but rent hangers, and other supplies to small Air Freight companies. Then I use that small Air Freight company, they take care of all the hard work with the Agents and the Forwarders, and I ship all my stuff with them. Then, once we get close, I try to get at least a partnership with that company, after telling them my nitch.

The nitch is so obvious, but nobody can do it as of yet, because they haven't got the right combination of businesses. However, it will probably work, and when Fed ex or UPS try to compete, they will have start over again basicly, because this is kindof hard to just start on a mature air freight company.

I have actually started to do the leg work, and making contacts.

Just wondering, is it possible to hitch rides on pure cargo planes? Like for really cheap or free, because they are already making money with the cargo and everything?
 
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WoW!!!!!

Guys......that last one just about puts the fork in this thread...I am so blown away,....I am absolutely speechless. Thanks for the ride waspe it has been entertaining...boredom is driving you mad brother!!!

Tex
 
this kid needs to meet bubba who likes brown eyes!
 
Righteous!

In the infamous words of Budweiser....

TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Tex
 
waspe, you could always buy some old dc-3's and run drugs into the country. a dc-3 full of coke would be a profitable cargo op. good luck! if you ever make a business plan, please pm it to me.

thanks!
 
Actually, I had already figured out a huge drug smuggling operation, and how exactly it would work. It was extremely easy to figure out though, and I found away where it is practically impossible to get caught, and if I did, It would actually cost the government more money to try and kill me, then I am smuggling into the United States.

I am not sure exactly what DC's look like, but I doubt they would be suitable for the operation, since most planes open from the front, you would need ones that open from the back. So like an old russian military plane would work.

My problem is I doubt any pilot has the balls do to smuggle it in, for me. It would be very rigous training, and they way I do things, your life would be in danger 24/7, if the bad guys have fighter planes.

I actually figured out the front and everything, the IRS has nothing on it.

However, thats not my plan I just thought up. This one is actually totally legit. Took about 1 week longer to figure out but it would work.

Thank you guys for everything. You guys really did help me see the problems and stuff I would need to face.
 
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Don't encourage him.
This is getting old and irritating.
Ignore him and maybe he'll go away - panhandlers in NYC usually do.
 
...Some non-russian tailgaters:

Shorts 330
Shorts 360
Skyvan
CASA
C-130 Herc
C-5

I still think an old DC-3 would be better for bandit ops. Direct-drive turbine engines are too loud!! Plus, flying an old DC-3 would be very nastalgic!

Waspe, I do wanna see your business plan when it is finished. And don't worry, your PM to me seemed a little paranoid. I am not going to take your plan and run. I might be an investor and you will need quite a few to come up with your 400 million.

P.S. - take a few english classes before you put your master plan to work.
 
Hey Waspe I just got my commercial multi....

can I be your Chief Pilot???

Pm me I will forward my resusme.



Is this really happening??????!?
 
Sorry for all the negative responses waspe. I am a genuine Aviation Consultant (it even says so right on my business card). I will be happy to help.

Smuggling drugs is illegal. That will be $1000.00. For an additional $500.00 I will cite the specific FAR's and Federal
Drug Legistlation under which you will be charged.

Once the first check gets here for the services I have already provided I will PM you with the exact fail proof business plan to make money in the exciting and glossy world of air freight. Trust me, I worked directly under a middle manager of a 135 freight operation with two Metros, and know all there is to know.
 

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