New CAL 737 Bases DEN / ORD

[100/hour/5y]

New bid is coming out JAN 2011... Manpower planning is loading it today... You can see the new bases under standing system bid..

ORD 737

DEN 737

It makes you wonder what else mgt plans to cancel in the T&A agreement?

 

[Andy]

Section 7-C.

 

[densoo]

DEN, ORD not there!

 

[Andy]

I don't know if you're referring to Section 8; unfortunately, it expired at the end of 2010 so it's already 'cancelled'.
They'll hold the UAL pilot population static - no recalls and no furloughs - except for attrition. All growth will occur on the CAL side. That will definitely void Section 7-C.

 

[ATRCA]

IAH A320 rumored as well.

 

[eaglesview]

I don't know if you're referring to Section 8; unfortunately, it expired at the end of 2010 so it's already 'cancelled'.
They'll hold the UAL pilot population static - no recalls and no furloughs - except for attrition. All growth will occur on the CAL side. That will definitely void Section 7-C.

1988/89 I was at Eastern and watched all of our flying go to CO. In fact while we were on strike I even got to watch CO pick up "new flying" like BOS ATL, PHL ATL ect. Now this crap. We will look like East West in a hurry.

 

[ATRCA]

1988/89 I was at Eastern and watched all of our flying go to CO. In fact while we were on strike I even got to watch CO pick up "new flying" like BOS ATL, PHL ATL ect. Now this crap. We will look like East West in a hurry.

Until one of our groups attempts to cut it's own deal with mgt, I don't see a correlation between Airways and UCal. No system bid has been posted with new bases. These are rumors at this point. There have been a number of aircraft utilization changes in the last several months. Some have gone the way of CAL and some have gone to UAL. There will be more in the future. If our groups elect to bicker and fight with one another because of the decisions our management team makes than we deserve our fate.


EDIT;
It just occurred to me that you may not have been referring to East/West as in USA E/W. If not, than my post is without the proper context.

 

[Andy]

1988/89 I was at Eastern and watched all of our flying go to CO. In fact while we were on strike I even got to watch CO pick up "new flying" like BOS ATL, PHL ATL ect. Now this crap. We will look like East West in a hurry.

This will continue to happen until there's a JCBA. Our unions negotiated a TPA with sunset provisions that favor management. Management is not going to pass up the 'opportunity' to shift flying to the lower cost side of the operation prior to a JCBA being signed.
While I think that management expected to be further along with the integration process at this point in time, I don't think that they intentionally negotiated the TPA in bad faith. However, they are going to shift flying to the lowest cost side of the operation. How much does the expiration of section 8 alone save the company in profit sharing?

This shift in flying will continue to happen until a JCBA is signed. However, I don't see this as a repeat of Eastern in the late 80s because after the JCBA is signed, everyone will be on the same payscale and work rules. The JCBA will happen but right now management has no incentive to move quickly on it.

 

[whatitdoing?]

Andy, you guys had 500 furlough letters that was mailed or just about to be mailed just prior to the merger announcement and then rescinded. I don't think stagnation is or was the issue. I would say retraction in all honesty. Growth was already happening before, during, and after this merger.

 

[Andy]

Andy, you guys had 500 furlough letters that was mailed or just about to be mailed just prior to the merger announcement and then rescinded. I don't think stagnation is or was the issue. I would say retraction in all honesty. Growth was already happening before, during, and after this merger.

The UAL side of the fence was trimmed to make CAL and UAL a better fit, including getting past regulatory hurdles. If I had been calling the shots on the merger, I would also do all of the trimming on the UAL side due to it being a higher cost operation.
Whether we're talking CAL or UAL pilots/crews/planes, it's all just widgets to management. If the profit margin was higher on the UAL side, all of the cuts would have happened on the CAL side of the fence.