New bid at CAL

[100/hour/5y]

200 new hires.... 1st positions go to Ual furloughs...

 

[pilotgolfer]

200 new hires.... 1st positions go to Ual furloughs...

Is that for the summer of 2013 or 2014? Sorry to sound so cynical...I just wanted to beat Skippy to it.

I'm raising the BS flag on this post...you are just stirring the pot.

 

["TheBigPicture"]

Is that for the summer of 2013 or 2014? Sorry to sound so cynical...I just wanted to beat Skippy to it.

I'm raising the BS flag on this post...you are just stirring the pot.

Exactly...source?? +1 on BS flag raising

 

[sayagain?]

BS on this site? Come on...really?

 

[whatitdoing?]

I can confirm it. Over 200 new hires at CAL for next bid opening this week. All new hire positions open first to furloughed United pilots. This is per our MEC Chair during this morning's Town Hall meeting.

 

["TheBigPicture"]

I can confirm it. Over 200 new hires at CAL for next bid opening this week. All new hire positions open first to furloughed United pilots. This is per our MEC Chair during this morning's Town Hall meeting.

Thx...must have missed it, got on the call late...

 

[whatitdoing?]

Ya, JP mentioned it on his opening speech.

 

[pilotgolfer]

BS on this site? Come on...really?

Hey you are supposed to be watching soccer or studying...no time for internet gossip and rumors.

 

[nimtz]

Funny that Steve Arnold refused to say there would be new positions at next bid just last week. No offense to JP but i'll wait till it's in print.

 

[whatitdoing?]

I'm thinking it's because the company only this week, perhaps even this morning informed the union.

 

[pilotgolfer]

I'm thinking it's because the company only this week, perhaps even this morning informed the union.

How far down the road would we be talking? I saw an article from Smisek on Skynet about the hiring of FAs off the street to get ready for 2012 deliveries. Any ideas when the initial training classes would take place?

 

[densoo]

How far down the road would we be talking? I saw an article from Smisek on Skynet about the hiring of FAs off the street to get ready for 2012 deliveries. Any ideas when the initial training classes would take place?

A CAL bid projects 12 months out. If a bid does come out they have until next summer to fulfill it. However based on the meltdowns last winter they need more pilots on the property well before the snow flies.

 

["TheBigPicture"]

A CAL bid projects 12 months out. If a bid does come out they have until next summer to fulfill it. However based on the meltdowns last winter they need more pilots on the property well before the snow flies.

12 months is correct, however the last 2 were 18month projections due to the 787 issues and no definitive date for deliveries.

 

[skywdriver]

Assuming the bid actually comes out in the same form it was when JP saw it and there are vacancies, question is will the United pilots accept the recall???

 

[whatitdoing?]

I seriously doubt many United furloughs will accept it. Why come back, regardless of pre-furlough payrates, only to be ABUSED at CAL? The United furloughed guys will be senior to all new hires off the street anyway, so why subject yourself to the abuse of CAL's contract and scheduling. It's like a hooker in Vegas during Superbowl. It ain't pretty and you're gonna be sore. I guess if you don't have anything going, but damn.

 

[Skippy]

Is that for the summer of 2013 or 2014? Sorry to sound so cynical...I just wanted to beat Skippy to it.

I'm raising the BS flag on this post...you are just stirring the pot.

HILARIOUS!!!!! with the 787 delay and all i dont se it happening until 2012 min,

SKIPPY.

pretty sad, the FA's have more leverage than the pilots.

pretty soon, the new united will be at the tipping point with all it's open labor groups and they will have no choice but to give in. If they were smart, they wouldve solved this sooner rather than later, every day gives the edge to labor

 

[densoo]

I seriously doubt many United furloughs will accept it. Why come back . . .

Maybe because you need to feed your family.

 

[On Your Six]

Assuming the bid actually comes out in the same form it was when JP saw it and there are vacancies, question is will the United pilots accept the recall???

If they have better employment, like me, then they won't accept recall. Anyone currently furloughed probably will be placed at the bottom of the combined list by any arbitrator. So, if they don't have a better job, you might as well take the CAL 737 job, because that is where you will end up anyway after a protracted SLI disagreement. JMO. Take the job if you currently have a worse one.


OYS

 

[Uncle Bort]

I seriously doubt many United furloughs will accept it. Why come back, regardless of pre-furlough payrates, only to be ABUSED at CAL? The United furloughed guys will be senior to all new hires off the street anyway, so why subject yourself to the abuse of CAL's contract and scheduling. It's like a hooker in Vegas during Superbowl. It ain't pretty and you're gonna be sore. I guess if you don't have anything going, but damn.

Wishfull thinking!

 

[pilotgolfer]

I emailed the furlough coordinator from United with the information about the bid and asked if he could confirm the rumor. He got back to me today and said he could not discuss it at this time and thank you for your understanding.

Somethings up.

 

[Skippy]

3-1 ratio of acceptance. book it- too many peple have crappier jobs

 

[pilotgolfer]

3-1 ratio of acceptance. book it- too many peple have crappier jobs

Skippy...I have some friends on the bottom of the CAL list on both 737 and 757. They basically get worked to the bone. I think their work rules would be like a bucket of cold water for the UAL guys that had been around for more than a year or two. Unless they lived near EWR or HOU, I think the acceptance rate will be quite low.

I know there are a lot of people stuck in crappy jobs right now...but being the low man in EWR is a crappy job. Pick your poison, I guess.

 

[densoo]

Skippy...I have some friends on the bottom of the CAL list on both 737 and 757. They basically get worked to the bone. I think their work rules would be like a bucket of cold water for the UAL guys that had been around for more than a year or two. Unless they lived near EWR or HOU, I think the acceptance rate will be quite low.

I know there are a lot of people stuck in crappy jobs right now...but being the low man in EWR is a crappy job. Pick your poison, I guess.

Will being an active pilot on the property be an advantage to being off the property during the SLI process?

 

[catIIIc]

Will being an active pilot on the property be an advantage to being off the property during the SLI process?

Nope, the TPA mentions that nothing changes with regards to the SLI.

 

[davessn763]

Maybe because you need to feed your family.

You can't feed a family and buy medical insurance on CAL first year pay.

 

[UALRATT]

You can't feed a family and buy medical insurance on CAL first year pay.

We all agree with you but this thread is about recalling UA furloughees under the TPA. Did you read that document (TPA) before hitting the Submit Reply button?

 

[skywdriver]

i welcome back any united guys assuming this actually does happen. glad to see some furloughed brothers and sisters getting the chance to come back to work. in addition, i hope they pass along to their union reps how bad it is to actually work under our current contract here at CAL. its one thing to read it, its another to live under it.

 

[100/hour/5y]

To: All Pilots
I’m pleased to announce that we are issuing System Bid 12-08 today, which will allow us to
hire up to 200 furloughed United pilots. We issued System Bid 12-08 based on updated
information regarding the anticipated needs of the 2012 Business Plan. This bid will generate
new-hire vacancies that we will fill in accordance with the Transition and Process Agreement
Part 7-B, in which Continental will hire pilots currently furloughed from the United Airlines
subsidiary.
System Bid 12-08 reflects several items that are important changes to the previous 12-05
System Bid and I encourage you to read about these changes before submitting your bids.
While the 787 delivery dates remain subject to change, we have received a recent update of the
anticipated 787 delivery schedule from Boeing. We will add crews to the 787 to meet this
revised schedule. Training for the 787 will commence as early as November 2011 and initial
training assignments will be primarily available to current 777 qualified pilots. This initial
cadre of pilots will be trained on the 787 and then will return to the 777 until the initial 787
start-up bid month, which is currently planned for May 2012.
As we accept delivery of new 737 aircraft, we are also adding additional 737 flying for the
summer of 2012. Accordingly, we’re adding additional 737 crews to Houston and Newark
This bid also replaces retirements and other attrition in other Base/Equipment/Status’. The
award of this System Bid will be the basis for the 2012 Vacation Awards.
The 787 remains New Equipment for this System Bid award, as defined in the CBA, Section
24, Part 5.J.4. The LAX base is considered a New Base as defined in the CBA, Section 24, Part
5.J.4 and will be for any system bid published prior to Jan 28, 2012.
In accordance with the Transition and Process Agreement Part 7-H, all contractual training
freeze limitations pursuant to Section 24, Part 5.J incurred as a result of System Bid 11-05 or
earlier will not be in effect for this System Bid. Additionally, the Company is waiving the hard
period restrictions in Section 24 and these will not be in effect on this System Bid. However,
should you be scheduled for training/advancement prior to September of 2011 and receive an
award different than that to which you are scheduled, staffing requirements will determine the
necessity of your being trained and/or advanced to your previous award.
You can find information regarding the specifics of System Bid 12-08, including the number of
vacancies, reductions, etc., on the Flight Operations Web Site under Bid Notification

 

[100/hour/5y]

Base Equipment Status Requirements for System Bid 12-08
Projected Active 12-08 12-08
Base/Equip/Status Retirements Pilots * Min Max Vacancies/Displacements
CLE 737 CA - 124 126 126 2 Vacancies
CLE 737 FO - 122 124 124 2 Vacancies
NYC 737 CA 1 296 308 308 12 Vacancies
NYC 737 FO - 281 303 303 22 Vacancies
IAH 737 CA 2 607 651 651 44 Vacancies
IAH 737 FO - 582 634 634 52 Vacancies
GUM 737 CA - 67 65 67 -
GUM 737 FO - 64 64 64 -
LAX 737 CA - 61 61 61 -
LAX 737 FO - 59 59 59 -
737 CA Total 3 1,155 1,211 1,213 58 Vacancies
737 FO Total - 1,108 1,184 1,184 76 Vacancies
NYC 756 CA 1 332 326 332 -
NYC 756 FO 1 486 482 486 -
IAH 756 CA 1 178 175 178 -
IAH 756 FO - 245 241 245 -
756 CA Total 2 510 501 510 -
756 FO Total 1 731 723 731 -
NYC 777 CA 2 133 131 133 -
NYC 777 FO - 328 328 328 -
IAH 777 CA 1 46 44 46 -
IAH 777 FO - 88 88 88 -
777 CA Total 3 179 175 179 -
777 FO Total - 416 416 416 -
IAH 787 CA - 17 38 38 21 Vacancies
IAH 787 FO - 33 79 79 46 Vacancies
787 CA Total - 17 38 38 21 Vacancies
787 FO Total - 33 79 79 46 Vacancies
System CA Total 8 1,861 1,925 1,940 79 Vacancies
System FO Total 1 2,288 2,402 2,410 122 Vacancies
System All Total 9 4,149 4,327 4,350 201 Vacancies

 

[Phrogs4ever]

If a United furloughee really wants to sit reserve with our rules, more power to'em. I expect some off the street hiring might be in order to fill 200 seats.