NEW ASA TA Commute clause

[scarlet]

It is optional--Sick for the first day and then pick your trip up later on....

 

[John Pennekamp]

1. The company already knows where you live (as long as you're not lying to them)

2. The commuting clause is optional. You dont have to use it.

Of course they know where we live. But sometimes people commute from places other than where they live, ie, their cabin, where their family lives, etc. The contract says all of your registered airports must be 150 miles from your primary residence. That makes it useless for the purpose I mention.

Another problem with it is that it doesn't cover commuters by ground. I live 1 hour from Hartsfield. Ever seen the backup from a good truck wreck on I-75 in ATL? Fugetaboutit.

 

[DrewBlows]

Of course they know where we live. But sometimes people commute from places other than where they live, ie, their cabin, where their family lives, etc. The contract says all of your registered airports must be 150 miles from your primary residence. That makes it useless for the purpose I mention.

Where does it say you must commute from the airport(s) you designate? We have to designate a home airport at Comair as well, but no one has ever said that's where we have to come from.

 

[DrewBlows]

You would be out of compliance with the intent of "reasonable" at 10 prior to duty-in. That is coming from our CNC when discussing the clause at the first roadshow. I am not judging anyone for making their commute 10 minutes prior duty-in, I am just pointing out that that would not be considered "reasonable" under this clause.

The "reasonable" language will quickly prove problematic. I'm sure there will be an LOA after a few occurances/grievances. To me 30 minutes seems reasonable on most days, while 10 minutes seems reasonable on other days (i.e. I've only been off one day).

I suspect the "reasonable" was meant to take weather/traffic situations into account so 20 minutes might be reasonable on a fair weather day while two hours would not be reasonable on a poor weather day. As I said before there will certainly be a side letter clarifying this.

Either way this language is about the best I've seen for air commuters. As for ground commuters...quit your whining, you live in base!:laugh:

 

[SkyNation]

SkyWest has no commuter clause.

however, in my experience, making the same efforts to get to work as outlined in the above clauses will either a: get you to work on time or b: when communicated to CS what you have been doing to try to get there will allow you to work it out with them. They positive spaced me twice to get to work when my commute just wasn't working out.

also, as mentioned, you can say 'I'm sick.' if you're making an honest effort to get to work, however, I think this would happen rarely.

 

[Speedtape]

SkyWest has no commuter clause.

however, in my experience, making the same efforts to get to work as outlined in the above clauses will either a: get you to work on time or b: when communicated to CS what you have been doing to try to get there will allow you to work it out with them. They positive spaced me twice to get to work when my commute just wasn't working out.

also, as mentioned, you can say 'I'm sick.' if you're making an honest effort to get to work, however, I think this would happen rarely.

Obviously, anything not in writing can be changed at a moment's notice! Enjoy it while you have it!

 

[scarlet]

Commute is optional at all companies and no you do not get paid if you do not show up for work. It is your option to live in another state, or go work somewhere close to home. Time to grow up!

 

[Papa Woody]

Commute is optional at all companies and no you do not get paid if you do not show up for work. It is your option to live in another state, or go work somewhere close to home. Time to grow up!

Bight me!

 

[HoserASA]

Commute is optional at all companies and no you do not get paid if you do not show up for work. It is your option to live in another state, or go work somewhere close to home. Time to grow up!

Bite me too!

Hoser
Roll Tide!

 

[scarlet]

Well it is better than what you have now, is all I was saying. Progress was made. I was in DFW too and hate ATL, but I moved.

 

[Nevets]

SkyWest has no commuter clause.

however, in my experience, making the same efforts to get to work as outlined in the above clauses will either a: get you to work on time or b: when communicated to CS what you have been doing to try to get there will allow you to work it out with them. They positive spaced me twice to get to work when my commute just wasn't working out.

also, as mentioned, you can say 'I'm sick.' if you're making an honest effort to get to work, however, I think this would happen rarely.

It sounds like they treat everyone differently as opposed to uniformly. That is what the commuter clause in a BINDING CONTRACT gives you. The peace of mind that if you follow it, the company is NOT able to discipline you. None of this calling and explaining yourself to see if you can get out of a missed trip or have to use up your sick time.

 

[B.T.Justice]

Sorry Scarlet, but the line "you choose to commute" doesn't hold water around here anymore. In the past 3 years a pilot could have been based in DFW/SLC/LAX/ATL. Try moving a family around like that. Many pilots commute. We need to be protected in case we don't make it to work. I don't understand why limit how many times you can use it. If I can't make it to work, you can either pay me for it with a sick call, or deduct it from my pay with a commuter policy call....whats up.

Also, at another company I worked for, using the commuter policy was no walk in the park. If you use it, skeds takes over and tells you what flight your going to try next. Its not like they let you go home for the week. Your stuck at the airport trying to make it to work, and not getting paid.

It should be from any airport, anywhere. Thats what the majors get, and thats what we had at ACA. So it's not exactly industry leading.

Just another reason to vote NO! And I'm not even a commuter, but we should all be protected when I decide to use my pass benefits. Its that or a sick call....your choice mgmt.

 

[scarlet]

Lets see I was based in DFW and LAx and ATL so no you are wrong and I commuted for NINE years to EWR for CAL, so yes I know a little about commuting!!

B.T. I hated EWR so I moved to ATL which had the most flights to EWR and was better weather in the winter. Which meant I made a choice, not the companies choice but mine. I am adult, and I can make those choices. And you have to make yours.

I would rather get paid for the first day and then pick the trip up later.

"I don't understand why limit how many times you can use it."-B.T. No one would come to work then.

Vote no and wait another 2 years and to get that commuter clause so you can come to work when you want and lose 25 thousand dollars=SMART