New ASA bases and fences

[Texx]

Let's see.... $2/hr more for CA and $1/hr more for FO to fly your holier than thou 700/900. Before we had to take concessions to "save the company" we made more than you 700/900 guys.

95% of the XJT pilots could care less about those planes. Get over yourselves. All I want out of this job is to make decent money and have a decent quality of life schedule. I could care less whether I fly a 777 or a BE-1900.

And did you ever think you might have priced yourself out of the 50 seat market?

 

[JumpersAway]

First off, no.

Secondly, you didn't read my post carefully, or just didn't understand what I was trying to say. You and I are in total agreement.

How it works now is: When a vacancy opens up, there are no displacements. For instance if 10 captain slots open up in ATL, you might have 10 ATL guys upgrade. But more likely you have a few direct upgrades and a few IAD captains bidding over. They move to ATL and consequently their spots open up in IAD. Then a few people who have their bid for IAD upgrade up there (instead of ATL). The most junior IAD captain moves up, or at worst stays the most junior captain. The same goes for the most junior ATL captain. No matter which way you slice it no one gets displaced during a vacancy. A vacancy only causes upward movement. Only in a reduction do people get displaced.

Now that being said they could possibly come out with a bid say, 10 IAD reductions and 10 EWR vacancies. This will end up in a displacement of some sort unless you want to move bases. However, I think this is very unlikely when we first merge because that will guarantee a lot of training costs. Also, since we have 2 fleet types they can't just mix and match them. An IAD base with 10 CRJs and 10 ERJs just doesn't make financial sense.

The bottom line is if we are a 100% merged company with a single seniority list and a single operating certificate we should operate as a single entity--pilots included. It will be to the benefit of the vast majority of pilots for no fences. Unless there is a massive reduction you stay in your current seat and domicile. When Delta or whoever hires 100 people, we have 100 vacancies, and 100 people bid up. Just bid what you want and want what you bid.

Gotcha- I just don't want to get forced to EWR or ORD.

 

[Whydoitry]

And did you ever think you might have priced yourself out of the 50 seat market?

No we didn't price our selves out of the market, and we made a mistake in voting for the concessions. Fortunately, we may get our rates snapped back due to some management bonuses. Then we can start negotiating our JCBA rates based on our pre-concessionary rates. I won't care about your CR7/9 until the rates are much higher.

As for the top 400 ASA guys going on top of a list, keep dreaming, the XJTALPA merger committee would never agree to that.

 

[the palm]

As for the top 400 ASA guys going on top of a list, keep dreaming, the XJTALPA merger committee would never agree to that.

Like I said...already a done deal. This is directly from my source on the committee.

Would I lie?

 

[bigshooter107]

Like I said...already a done deal. This is directly from my source on the committee.

Would I lie?

Nice, but the senority guys at both airlines will not meet until the JCBA is signed. Alpa is not going to let senority intergration torpedo the agreement.

 

[bacardi]

Like I said...already a done deal. This is directly from my source on the committee.

Would I lie?

Will you ever get a new wig? Maybe one that looks like the white dragons hair would be cool.

 

[the palm]

Will you ever get a new wig? Maybe one that looks like the white dragons hair would be cool.

I'll look into it. How did you know it was a wig?

 

[OCP]

Like I said...already a done deal. This is directly from my source on the committee.

Would I lie?

XJT guys need to calm down. He is flaming (both the poster and the guy he represents). None of this even gets talked about until after XJT and ASA vote and pass a joint contract. Then discussions on merging the lists happen and the pilots have NO say in how that goes. Strictly the negotiators and if they can't agree the arbitrator gets the final say. And like it or not that will be it.

 

[The Boss]

And did you ever think you might have priced yourself out of the 50 seat market?

With thinking like that, you have yourself a very bright future in airline management.

 

[701EV]

With thinking like that, you have yourself a very bright future in airline management.

Hey Boss, obviously you don't know Texx!

 

[Texx]

No we didn't price our selves out of the market, and we made a mistake in voting for the concessions. Fortunately, we may get our rates snapped back due to some management bonuses. Then we can start negotiating our JCBA rates based on our pre-concessionary rates. I won't care about your CR7/9 until the rates are much higher.

As for the top 400 ASA guys going on top of a list, keep dreaming, the XJTALPA merger committee would never agree to that.

Learn from history.

 

[Texx]

With thinking like that, you have yourself a very bright future in airline management.

No, I will win the marathon, not the race.

 

[Whydoitry]

Learn from history.

We have, and never again.

Pilots are not airline management, and should not be trying to decide what rates or compensation packages the company can afford. Our job is to get the best for us, while their job is to run the company in a profitable manner.

This little deal of ours is going to make ASA and SKYW a lot of money, it's imperative that the pilots share in that.

 

[Uncle Bunkle]

Fortunately, we may get our rates snapped back due to some management bonuses.

You are so dumb, you are really dumb. Or gullible, or both.

 

[Whydoitry]

You are so dumb, you are really dumb. Or gullible, or both.

Thanks, that's a really constructive comment.

Our contract has provisions to snap back our rates if management receives bonuses. Supposedly that has occurred with the ASA buyout, contract enforcement is looking into it.

 

[Uncle Bunkle]

Our contract has provisions to snap back our rates if management receives bonuses. Supposedly that has occurred with the ASA buyout, contract enforcement is looking into it.

Do you still believe in Santa Claus?

 

[LazyLightnin']

They believe in the crazy glue sniffing fairy. "Build a model airplane and take concessions", says the little fairy..

 

[Whydoitry]

Boy I can't wait until we're one big happy family, you guys are awesome.

 

[LazyLightnin']

Boy I can't wait until we're one big happy family, you guys are awesome.

We're not really.. Oh, you were being sarcastic. But seriously, generally, we are not awesome. You guys are way more awesome.

 

[SuperKooter]

Asa and xjt....
I just hope atl has the room for all your egos.
It's amazing they can fit in those toys you call airplanes that you fly.