New American/US Airways Future of PHX Domicile?

[MG386]

No east/west bs, just an honest educated guess as to the future of a PHX base if it exists at all as well as how senion/junior it might end up long term?

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[TWA Dude]

Latest guesses: amount of flying stays the same, crew base shrinks 30% and goes very senior.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Kirby says PHX base stronger with AA merger.

 

[Wingman10]

Kirby says PHX base stronger with AA merger.

I thought that I read that as well. Kirby mentioned PHX and Parker
also mentions PHL.

 

[Flyby1206]

Kirby says PHX base stronger with AA merger.

Has there been any merger where a CEO has said "XYZ base will be weaker and we will probably close it soon" before the transaction has been completed?

 

[crashmbern]

I know Kirby mentioned that PHX has the most AA advantage members out of any city in the US besides AA hubs.

 

[cbrown1]

UAL still has denver, DAL still has SLC.

There will need to be a west coast base other than LAX to serve the smaller communities that aren't worth tying up the slots/gates in LAX.

 

[Hpilot]

Latest guesses: amount of flying stays the same, crew base shrinks 30% and goes very senior.

I'll second that. Due to scheduling efficiencies, I definitely could see the crew base shrinkage. I hope that I can stay in PHX or LAX and not get bumped back east.

 

[Carl S.]

Count on the worst, hope for the best...If the new F/A movement tells anything...PHX will go way senior due to being the only base west of the big muddy...

 

[JumpersAway]

Just like Memphis was going to be critically important, along with CVG, following the DAL-NWA merger.

 

[reepicheep]

PHX will be like LAX is for American and be super-senior any opening will be filled by senior folks from back east. Upward movement will be virtually nil & if you bid out or are displaced good luck getting back in.

 

[Bringupthebird]

PHX will be like LAX is for American and be super-senior any opening will be filled by senior folks from back east. Upward movement will be virtually nil & if you bid out or are displaced good luck getting back in.

Why wouldn't displaced pilots have right of first return?

 

[reepicheep]

If you are displaced then presumably that's cause the base is shrinking to get back in there has to be an opening - someone else has to leave.

 

[Turtle21]

Why wouldn't displaced pilots have right of first return?

Return? No one says you have to leave. Join the commuters and be a real airline pilot.

 

[Hpilot]

Well hopefully i can hold PHX. Maybe in 10 years, with the attrition and the fact that what little growth there will be, will be in Asia, I can get to LAX. Maybe it's just best to start over with Delta or Alaska. Think i'll just wait and see.

 

[Bringupthebird]

If you are displaced then presumably that's cause the base is shrinking to get back in there has to be an opening - someone else has to leave.

That's how it works. If the number 1 guy retires you come back before anyone else can move in. Once everyone is back in their pre-displacement position, then new folks can move in as their seniority will allow.

Now if you chase your captain seat by bidding the next available base where you can hold it, then you have no one to blame but yourself.

How many years has AA had a LAX base and they have had every opportunity to grow it, but they haven't. Considering the exponential cost increases in building LAX, I think PHX is pretty safe as-is. At least as safe as PHL.

We don't quite have the experience in abandoning hubs to Southwest as the old USAir. Is it true there is a Southwest 737 christened The Spirit of Ed Colodny? It can get out of BWI, MCO, FLL, LAX and MCI faster than any other aircraft!:laugh:

 

[reepicheep]

Touche!