New Airtran Jetconnect?WTF

[Jar Jar]

prediction: mesa pilots vote in 40% cut in payrates, work rule concessions to shift crj-200s to airtran.

 

[Tar Heel]

prediction: mesa pilots vote in 40% cut in payrates, work rule concessions to shift crj-200s to airtran.

No. Sadly more like 200 more pilots gone by April 2010. But how does that even relate to this topic? How long is the contract for? I had read on APC that there was an amendable date in early 2010 where Air Tran could opt out of the deal. Any truth to that?

 

[stall022]

No. Sadly more like 200 more pilots gone by April 2010. But how does that even relate to this topic? How long is the contract for? I had read on APC that there was an amendable date in early 2010 where Air Tran could opt out of the deal. Any truth to that?

The contract will be for however long it takes to whipsaw and threaten the Airtran pilots into signing a crap contract after 5 years of talks OR a strike, In which case SkyWest will be used to fly the struck work.

 

[roughneck]

I had read on APC that there was an amendable date in early 2010 where Air Tran could opt out of the deal. Any truth to that?

That is the SWAPA pilots won't allow RJ codeshare contengency plan in the event SWA pulls the trigger on AirTran.

 

[jonjuan]

That is the SWAPA pilots won't allow RJ codeshare contengency plan in the event SWA pulls the trigger on AirTran.

Pulls the trigger or pulls the plug?

 

[maxblast72]

Pulls the trigger or pulls the plug?

Considering SWA only overlaps directly with Airtran on 15% of Airtran's total ASMs, I don't know how SWA will "pull the plug" on Airtran.

 

[FLYHY]

Who allowed the RJs to start operations way back when?

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Who allowed the RJs to start operations way back when?

Pilots who screwed up.

 

[Floatplane]

The contract will be for however long it takes to whipsaw and threaten the Airtran pilots into signing a crap contract after 5 years of talks OR a strike, In which case SkyWest will be used to fly the struck work.

The really sad part is Skywest Pilots are excited because AirTran lacks scope and they are hoping to get bigger aircraft in the future to fly on behalf of AirTran. I actually had a Skywest Pilot say that to me while jumpseating on them. I almost $hit myself when I heard the captain say this. I can't think of a more crystal clear way to highlight the importance of scope. The threat contract flying and regional carriers pose to mainline jobs has never been more evident.

 

[Colonel Savage]

Pilots who screwed up.

Yes, the DAL MEC's blowoff of the very concerned ASA pilot group in 1985. You're at DAL, aren't you Peanuckle?

 

[Ty Webb]

The really sad part is Skywest Pilots are excited because AirTran lacks scope and they are hoping to get bigger aircraft in the future to fly on behalf of AirTran.

Anyone who said that is clearly misinformed. Our current (2001) Contract restricts them to 70 seats or less, and only up to 15% of our ASM (about 100 flights/day) and there can be no AirTran pilots on furlough.

 

[Shakenbake]

The really sad part is Skywest Pilots are excited because AirTran lacks scope and they are hoping to get bigger aircraft in the future to fly on behalf of AirTran. I actually had a Skywest Pilot say that to me while jumpseating on them. I almost $hit myself when I heard the captain say this. I can't think of a more crystal clear way to highlight the importance of scope. The threat contract flying and regional carriers pose to mainline jobs has never been more evident.

I hope you're lying, however, even here at Skywest there are some idiots. Please don't judge our pilot group based on your interaction with that one individual. I've met a lot of great AirTran crews on overnights...and a few a$$holes. But I'm smart enough to assume that most of the folks at AirTran are great people. In talking to my fellow crewmembers, most of us feel like this deal with AirTran is a waste of time.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Yes, the DAL MEC's blowoff of the very concerned ASA pilot group in 1985. You're at DAL, aren't you Peanuckle?

Was I at DAL in 1985, you meant to say? Sorry. I sure didn't set that ship to sail....sure will try to fix the mess, though.

Were you at ASA in 1985?

 

[waka]

There is much bickering in this thread. Bottom line; Is the management at Air Tran breaking the scope provisions in the contract? If so, game on and I'll support the pilots. If this is within the scope provisions of your contract, then y'all made your own bed for voting in this POS contract. Learn from it and take that knowledge to the next time you negotiate. However, I'll sympathize from afar.

 

[maxblast72]

Anyone who said that is clearly misinformed. Our current (2001) Contract restricts them to 70 seats or less, and only up to 15% of our ASM (about 100 flights/day) and there can be no AirTran pilots on furlough.

Actually to get to 15% of our ASM it would be around 200-250 flights per day since the airplane has only 50 seats. With the announcement the other day of 3 roundtrips a day to 6 cities from MKE, Skywest's 36 flights a day will represent around 1% of our ASMs starting next year.